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The Omicron variant

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Groan. The same posters keep posting the exact same message from the beginning about how we need to live with the virus, no point waiting for a vaccine, no point getting a second vaccine, no point getting a booster, no pont getting getting fourth vaccine...

    Never giving credit for the fact that covid might not have gotten much less harmful, it is much less harmful to a vaccinated population, and still always trying to put the brakes on any effort to vaccinate, to be cautious and to wait for the evidence to make decisions. It's boring and unthinking.

    There will come a time to go back towards normal and hopefully this wave will be the last significant one. And they'll be right at some point, like the stopped clock is right at some point. And then they'll claim they were right all along and we should have done nothing from the start. Boring and unthinking. The kind of people who will never be in a position to make decisions because they're not equipped to make decisions. The safest people to make wild pronouncements because there's no real chance they will be listened to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Aye, i have learned not to read the condescending posts of rubbish that’s constantly spewed out repeatedly over and over by certain posters. I have no idea what was in the post because when i see certain usernames i just scroll on because it’s just the same old i’m so perfect and know better than anyone else BS posts. But going by your yawn emoji i could hazard a guess lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ah go on. You had a sneaky read just for the sense of outrage.

    Safest thing would be to put ppsters youndisagree with on ignore because then you'd be perfectly safe from opinions which don't match your own, creating an echo chamber, a safe space.

    Worst thing you could do is read posts which remind you that you predicted there was no chance of restrictions this winter. If you read those posts then you'd probably need to rethink your strategy of always declaring the pandemic over whatever the circumstances and would never have to deviate from that strategy...

    Is the pandemic over again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    LOL. The curiosity got the better of me and so against my better judgement and i thought i’d read and see what your response to my post was and reply ., i won’t be replying to further posts from you though. Just thought i’d get a few things straight.

    Firstly i never ever claimed the pandemic was over. Show me where i posted that i said it was over or please retract your claim and admit that you were wrong and stop making things up. I’m quite aware we are in the middle of a pandemic and never have claimed otherwise. I have had the 3 jabs and i still practice all the health guidelines.

    The current restrictions “ this winter” haven’t affected me much at all i’m glad to say and has gone as planned and as i had hoped because of the vaccine roll out. I’m happy enough. I can go to a restaurants and In the last few months i have travelled out of the country 4 times and in 2 weeks i’ll be in Florida visiting family . My work hasn’t been affected either i never needed the PUP. All is as normal. Unless you are a pub goer the restrictions will affect you more but i’m not really into pubs.

    My life is more or less pre 2019. Sure i have to wear a mask etc, have a test before i travel but i’m used to it and for me it’s a small price to pay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    I see Luke O’Neill has a new book out, he’s done well out of people’s misery. Out and out pandemic merchant.



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    Less interest in saving wildlife. Less species alive, Less chance of species hopping variants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    More good news: Omicron, lower viral load, mostly bronchi (upper tract) much less in lungs (oxygen needed because of inflammation), mild symptoms even in the unvaccinated (mice and hamsters).

    It confirms what was reported some weeks ago w data from SA and is happening everywhere else, Omicron replacing Delta, a tough few weeks ahead..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Not his news nor research though. All of this has been known for quite a while so why post this guy as if what he says suddenly makes it more true? I posted a link to these new studies some days ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,289 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    You should write a book and retire on the proceeds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Please excuse me for not completely following everything you have posted. Ok, let me state then: 'listen everybody, this guy was here before me and should receive kudos and recognition, maybe some bonus points, vouchers, a price of some sort' 🤠.

    And by the way: i had been talking about this some weeks ago and have been following more recent data from Denmark and the UK so the video just confirmed that, like i said. It is a confirmation of a confirmation just adding data points adding to the certainty around it. This one was about studies done in mice and hamsters which was news to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭MTU


    The Chinese need to up their game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Apologies to Is That So.

    dr Been goes into detail why Omicron is different even to the point that he calls it SarsCov3 instead of SarsCov2. Still the same spike protein but a different mechanism for entering the cell (Omicron). As Omicron seems to have reduced fusion capability to enter a cell compared to previous variants it has found an alternative route. This route is far less damaging to the system w the immune system not having to react with cytokine storms in the lungs (or much less) and onwards through the lung/blood barrier.

    To me it sounds less because of the effect of immunity due to infection and vaccination and more of altered virus behaviour. This flies in the face of the idea that it is milder because of the former factors. I gather the similar trajectory in various countries is proof of that.

    Post edited by deholleboom on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    A lot of people have been following Omicron for weeks, it's been reported on since mid-November, including its potential mildness by our own COVID obsessed media. Yes, that information on animals emerged a few days ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No need to apologise, each to their own. Some of us just don't do YouTube videos on COVID, especially one that is 46 minutes long!

    As an aside I watched one of the recent Royal Institute Christmas Lectures. All COVID and brilliant stuff and a lesson in how to communicate at the right level with brevity but depth on a very wide range of linked topics in one hour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You spent all the early part of the year telling all and sundry there would be no restrictions this winter. Called anyone who said there could be need for restrictions depending on whether there were more variants this winter various names like 'misery merchants'. That was you, wasn't it?

    Sure you don't read my posts - except you do and you know you were dead wrong but you're still coming out with the same tired argument.

    Post edited by El_Duderino 09 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Hospitalisations up and ICU numbers stable. The next question is how those numbers change as a result of the increase in cases from the last couple of weeks.

    Hopefully the numbers stay stable or even a midest drop in ICU numbers, and infections peak and begin to drop soon. I'd say that's the best realistic scenario over the next couple of weeks.

    Post edited by El_Duderino 09 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    And that is why people are asked to regularly test - two three times a week a least. - so if you test positive on a LFT (anti-gen), then next step is to confirm with PCR. Many companies require people to regularly test to help reduce the spread. Omicron is very transmissible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    that is very interesting. I recall reading something about AZ T-cell production and long memory capability of T-cell production. Promising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭corkie


    US hits the million cases


    Paul Hunter, a professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia, said people with Covid should eventually be allowed to “go about their normal lives” as they would with a common cold.

    “This is a disease that’s not going away. Ultimately, we’re going to have to let people who are positive with Covid go about their normal lives as they would do with any other cold,” he told BBC Breakfast. “If the self-isolation rules are what’s making the pain associated with Covid, then we need to do that perhaps sooner rather than later. Maybe not quite just yet.

    “Covid is only one virus of a family of coronaviruses, and the other coronaviruses throw off new variants typically every year or so, and that’s almost certainly what’s going to happen with Covid. It will become effectively just another cause of the common cold.

    Link ~ Tue 28 Dec 2021 10.29 GMT



    Ireland Confirmed GS Cases now 383 (+239) ~ Updated today GISAID

    ^^^ https://newsnodes.com/omicron_tracker

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Very interesting thread of analysis from Rachel Lavin of the Sunday Business Post. She reckons the 'real' daily case numbers may be 60-80,000 cases a day (bad news obviously) but that Omicron may peak in Ireland some time later this week (good news) and that numbers will start to fall quite quickly in mid to late January and into February (also good news).

    https://twitter.com/RachelLavin/status/1478436831272345600



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭ShayNanigan


    There's always another one... IHU variant has emerged in France and is said to be more infectious with 46 mutations. Very little information about it available though so difficult to say anything yet. Seems there's several Indian and other Asian news sources panicking about it but U.S. and European news sites seem to have a more calm approach.

    https://www.newsweek.com/ihu-covid-variant-b-1-640-2-mutations-identified-france-1665299



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    100 cases per day in March is very very optimistic. Would be the end of the pandemic here IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,156 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    They estimated 4 - 5x the officially recorded cases in the UK... similar idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Already been discussed a few pages back. To summarize: it's not an issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But there would still be the risk of yet another variant coming along of course (invariably from some other part of the world).

    We never actually got down to double figures at any point in 2021. Let's see if it happens later this year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭ShayNanigan


    K thanks. Couldn't find anything about it but I was exhausted just going through the pages. Thought it was a bit much.



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