ESRI confirms Irish welfare dependent population is TWICE that of Germany or France

Maybe you should have asked those questions BEFORE you made up stuff about it being easy to get on disability allowance? Maybe you should have spoken to some people with disabilities who've actually been through the process about how 'easy' they found it?

Maybe it's not so easy to get doctors to struck off because the stories about them fraudulently signing off on disability applications didn't actually happen?

Have you spoken to many people who've gone through the process of getting and keeping DA? Give it a try.

Yep, loads of them. You should try researching what happens in the real world, rather than in your imagination. The Equality Authority hasn't existed for about a decade btw.

Limerick?

Not a great comparison although I see your point. The man on the dole in ireland is much better off than someone on minimum wage. The level of entitlement is out of control. Nobody should be destitute but we are doing the very opposite and making people who choose not to work very comfortable. Pensioners roared for years that they were entitled to their lot due to the taxes they paid over many years and I agree with them. What’s the reasoning for the man on the dole for life having all the trappings of his working counterparts for none of the labour or cost to him.

No self respecting welfare lifer is on jobseekers - too many pesky courses n meetings to have to go to. Disability is where it's at, you'll be left alone til the pension kicks in!

https://davidmcwilliams.ie/the-mystery-of-disability/

Over the past few years an extraordinary development has occurred in Ireland, which has gone broadly unnoticed. Tens of thousands of people have left the labour force due to disability. This has occurred despite the fact that the workforce, in general, has become younger and healthier on most measures and despite the fact that there have been significant positive steps towards reducing discrimination against disabled people in the workforce.

People on disability should be all reviewed every so often bar of course the real genuine cases.

It might cost little at start but would save fortune in long run.

Amount of young people on disability is a disgrace. Taking the piss.

The whole SW system needs change.

It's hard to know.

I know four working-age adults who are all on long-term welfare.

It could be argued that all four could do some job.

Two of the four choose long-term welfare as a lifestyle choice, do a nixer, drive an AUDI Q5 SUV, and have received 100,000 in college grants.

They have a house (5-bed detached) and lifestyle associated with people who work.

There is no reason to think they are special or unique.

So I have to presume there are people like this everywhere?

The other two are single men, who are not, shall we say, the "most employable" people in the world.

However, is there some job they could do? Yes.

But we are too soft on them.

If you are pushing me for a figure, I'd say there are 100,000 working-age adults who could be moved from long-term welfare to employment.

The problem is the lack of Jeopardy. People might be unemployable when they have alternatives but if the alternative is death, they usually find a way to be employable. I would probably be the same way. It also explains why wealth is almost impossible to retain over multiple generations despite the huge advantages from generous inheritance tax policies and why wars lead to eras of greatest innovation. Without jeopardy we can do nothing. Necessity is the mother of invention. Speaking personally, the only reason I began working was because my parents said we will give you dinner, bed and an education, anything else is up to you. And I was very entitled to get those things. Some kids do not get that and that is why we have welfare not to support adults for life and to take away their jeopardy, diminishing their agency in life.

Of the 4 people the poster mentioned he personally knows, 2 are in need of support. I don’t think anyone would argue that. The other 2 clearly need no extra support and should be working. That’s who needs targetting but every single time that is mentioned, it gets shot down as anecdotal or it’s an unknown number of people. We all live in the community and can see who is playing the system. It is much harder to see the ones that need help and very often they don’t get it because they simply don’t know how.

Welfare.

But we should be honest.

If people are long-term on JSA, and make no effort to find work, then either offer them paid work, or they move off JSA to SWA.

Read the Barrington lecture given by Barra Roantree of the ESRI:

See slide 20. We have loads of working-age adults with no market income.

It is not anecdotal, it is a fact.

See slide 21 and 22 - we have loads of lone parents, more than other countries, and they have low employment rates. Why? Part of the answer is the design of the welfare state itself. Ours system seems to encourage lone parenthood.

See slide 23, it's unreal. 19% of working-age adults living alone say permanently disabled/unfit for work, miles ahead of anywhere else.

PS pensions have been reformed.

The PS pension scheme since 2013 is less generous.

Table 1

2012 DA = 102,000

2017 DA = 134,000

Hard to explain approx 30% growth over five years?

All cases are 'real genuine cases' in that they meet the criteria set out. I've heard of people with amputations being called for review to see if the limb has grown back yet, and people with Down Syndrome called for review to see if they have been miraculously cured over night. Reviews happen all the time. Fear of losing DA is a major deterrent to people with disabilities taking up employment, which can be a bit of a gamble for them and for the employer.

I don't see why anyone "deserves" anything. It's a bizarre perspective. Why would anyone deserve something?