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ESRI confirms Irish welfare dependent population is TWICE that of Germany or France

  • 18-12-2021 4:46pm
    Registered Users Posts: 654 ✭✭✭ Fred Cryton

    New ESRI report says around 12% of Irish households containing working age people have no earners and are entirely dependent on the welfare state. This compares with 6% in France, Germany or Sweden, model nations for the Irish left. The equivalent figure in the UK is 8%.

    It also blows away the false statistic of Irish unemployment rate of 5% or so pre-Covid. That's 5% of those looking for a job do not currently have one. Not 5% of the entire working age population. There's an enormous non-employed hidden population, comfortable on welfare.

    So what is this uniquely Irish phenomenon? The truth is an enormous cohort of Irish are better off on welfare than in low paid work, because welfare is way too high compared with jobs at their appropriate skill level. No wonder there is such a focus on social housing in this country, a huge number of people are expecting the nanny state to take care of them cradle to grave. The system is crying out for thorough reform. And by the way, when was the last time you heard of a welfare to work program from our government? We just seem to accept the situation, it's ridiculous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,209 ✭✭✭ growleaves

    Does that include PUP recipients?

    "We have years of struggle ahead, mostly within ourselves" - Jean-Luc Godard

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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,962 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭ enricoh

    That's what corporation tax and the MNC tax take is for n that's going to increase forever so we're grand!

    Well it better coz we're the third most indebted country in the developed world. What could possibly go wrong?!

  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭ Raichu

    Are we?

    according to Wikipedia Ireland doesn’t even rank in the top 10.

    edit; we’re 31, for anyone curious.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭ enricoh

    Someone needs to update Wikipedia

    Ireland is the THIRD most indebted country in the developed world with €201 billion mountain of debt

    The debt equates to every man, woman and child in Ireland owing €42,000


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,457 ✭✭✭✭ lawred2

  • Registered Users Posts: 525 ✭✭✭ Taxburden carrier

    Certainly is out of date. It’s currently over €48k per capita, c. €20k above the EU average

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  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭ Raichu

    So basically unless you’re not a real adult you can’t afford these holidays yearly?

    ok good enough.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭ enricoh

    Article was 3 years ago, good I hope we're in the middle of the pack now so

  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭ Raichu

    You lived at home with your parents and contributed on the sly, which is fair enough, but my point is, if you’re living in your own place, paying rent and utility bills, you’re not gonna afford drinks every weekend and trips to Spain.

    Exactly how is €200 a week (from age 25 and up it starts at €100 or so) generous? Would you work 40hr a week for €200 in wages? or would you give up your job to live on €200 a week? I certainly wouldn’t.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,457 ✭✭✭✭ lawred2

    Worse I would expect. Sure we're throwing about billions for covid.

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