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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I have no idea what Tony Holohan posts on Twitter and I have never seen him make a guest apperance anywhere. The little I have seen of Twitter it struck me as more a magnet for every nut job on the planet to dump their often incohert rambling uncontested, rather than a discussion forum, and unlike some here I don`t have this person called Tony Holohan, who somehow has usurped the elected government and is making all decisions for some unknow reasons of his own, living rent free in my head 24/7.

    Chief medical officers are civil servants, who like many other civil servants here and worldwide advise governments on everything under the sun, but the buck stops with the governments on whether they accept that advice or not or how they choose to act on it or not. Do you seriously believe that CMO`s such as Chris Whitty in England, Frank Atherton in Wales or Jaap van Dissel in the Netherlands etc. are now dictators running those countries. It`s a nonsense.None have the power to dictate anything. Same as the nonesense that Tony Holohan now rules Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Whats all this "Criteria" stuff ?

    Tom Grange posted some readily available statistics which tend to show a scenario far outside what our much vaunted modellers and statisticians are basing their vastly over-regarded recommendations upon.

    In spite of the ongoing messages to have us all behave like North Koreans on holliers,humans round these parts really do tend to rationalize stuff based upon their own needs and opinions.

    What's wrong with that ?

    So far,the only people with criterion regarding deaths are the NPHETers with their in-house modellers and forecasters,encouraged by wild eyed fanatics a lá Clare Byrne,Joe Duffy and Pat Kenny et al.

    What's YOUR criteria then...nobody dies..ever ?

    I'm lining up with Tom on this....Covid is a non-story...has been from the beginning,and will eventually become so spun-out that mass sanity will slowly return,perhaps demanding some retribution for the widespread emotional and physchological harm inflicted upon citizens Europewide !!


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    See, the vaccine worked really well against the original strain, and really well against Alpha. We kind of nearly had it beat. Then Delta came along and was so transmissible and virulent that it overwhelmed vaccines to an extent. Now Omicron.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Here's a bit more meat on the bones about the usefulness of Modellers....about as much today as the lads who collected the shillings from the gas meters.....https://dailysceptic.org/


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Western European democracies have guaranteed personal freedoms for their citizens for decades. Why now, have they all suddenly and simultaneously decided to impose arbitrary controls on their people?

    Its a headscratcher.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,270 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,025 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    These sources get more dangerous post by post. How do you end up following these grifters?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Thats optimistic imo, the fallout from this is unprecedented - never have so many sacrificed so much for so few. Its a bit grim but the majority of those that we sacrificed for will be dead by 2025, probably quite lonely, died of natural causes like age, and having NOTHING to do with the hysteria magnified by the landed boomers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Keep on boosting and keep those profits nice and fat. But that means that we avoid lockdowns? Oh yeah, of course, well only the summer months obviously when viruses are less virulent anyway but once the winter comes it's straight back to lockdown. We'll make sure to boost you though just so you're ultra safe going to the shops for 5 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    There's a whole grift built on this mess - from doctors to mask sellers to media pundits - the snouts at the trough are many. Its also a wholesale acceleration of the destruction of small business in favour of MNCs. Plenty are making good bank from this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    So 218% increase....while helping to end the pandemic.

    Apple: $57 -> $179

    Google (alphabet): $1038 -> $2960

    Remember Pfizer only manufacture the vaccine, they didn't develop it. So any CT **** about making it less effective to sell a 3rd/4th dose should not be directed at Pfizer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    I read this as the UK is modelling on the worst case possible and searching for justification not because of science, but because of politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Fair enough but you could have done without the condescending tone which started with “see”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,984 ✭✭✭acequion


    Well perhaps you should look at his posts on Twitter before jumping to the conclusion that his remarks on Twitter don't wield influence. Fine if you don't like Twitter and don't read it but the fact is, a great many do. And have you not seen him on The Late Late Show? Now before you rubbish TLLS and if you did you'd have me in agreement because personally, I detest it, there's no denying the huge audience it enjoys throughout conservative middle Ireland. So stop trying to deny the undeniable about Holohan's huge influence over Government and public at large.

    As for your comments about the CMOs of other countries, you might be surprised that many other countries are quite different to Ireland not only in their approach to the pandemic but in their approach to the various medical and scientific experts in their countries. Comparing Holohan to other CMOs really is apples and oranges. The whole cult of Holohan is a very Irish thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,220 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Have my booster on Thursday, almost not bother at this stage but nice to have it when the reissues of the covid cert are announced

    We might get to stay out after 8 from Tues 19th April 2022 which will be after the Easter weekend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Steveimitation


    Nope May bank holiday two weeks after that. Couldn't be having that could we?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,220 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Yep we have to protect the schools for the Leaving Certificate, feck it might as well wait til end of June



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    If you are now seeing through the stupidity of it all - welcome to the right side of history - make sure you do you part, at a minimum tell your local TD that they wont be getting a vote and why - email them NOW. The next steps will require more, but thank you for starting on the path, the more people like you, the quicker this will end.



  • Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




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    Its been the biggest over exaggeration ive ever seen with 410 in hospital and the most vunerable now tripe dosed with the vaccine.

    We don't even know if the 410 in hosptial are vaccinated, have underlying conditions or there for something else besides Covid but just tested positive.

    I think the whole thing is over to be honest but the government just not sure about this Omincron variant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Some are vaccinated, some have underlying conditions, some were there but tested positive. That's been that way since the start. The same question can be asked when we had 2000 in hospital.

    Yes there's a lot of uncertainty around omicron. If you were in the Governments position would you just open up and hope and pray it's milder and so mild it offsets the massive growth rate advantage it has?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You could ask yourself why are they leaving the schools open and tackling the hospitality sector? The 8PM closing time is just going to mean house partys and the government know this well.

    They were manipulating the stats about schools for the best part of 12 months.

    Its two years later, they need to be backing up their restrictions with scientific evidence or Mehole Martin and Tony can just F U C K O F F.

    NPHET have been wrong throughout the whole thing. Pile of clueless W A N K E R S



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,025 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Lmao they keep schools open because this is the one thing middle Ireland gets vocal about. Somehow someway all those who are involved in education are going to avoid spreadng this out of control variant. It's very shady. There's 3 days of potential spread between Monday and the Xmas holidays. Then those same people will be in other people's houses over the next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    On the ordered list of things to open first, schools come just after essential retail, that's why they stay open even though they are riskier for spread, entertainment is at the bottom of that list just before office workers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    So your beef with hospital stats is now focused on schools? Are hospital stats unimportant and now schools are?

    Do you not believe a child's education is more important that people having an extra few hours drink?

    Are 100 random people in a pub going to go to the same house party?



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