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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,984 ✭✭✭acequion


    You are completely deluding yourself if you think that Tony Holohan doesn't have a lot of power. Or is your interpretation of power a narrow one related only to the power bestowed by elections? There are many sources of power, the media and social media being one of the most potent. Look at how he uses Twitter, how he guest appears wherever possible, how he has God like status in many Irish homes in spite of or perhaps because he is outside Government. And as CMO he is an authority figure and there is still an enormous degree of subservience to authority in this country. That old sense of the boss knows best and don't dare question.

    And yes you're right that the chief goal of politicians is to get re elected. In order to continue their cushy lifestyle. Therefore many will be in a bind over how to play this. Many, deep down, resent the power [a massive psychological power] that TH has over the Government and many, deep down, don't agree with this constant abundance of caution. But they'll play safe, they won't defy their party whip and let's not forget that a great many people support these restrictions, though less and less as time goes on.And unfortunately there are those who benefit from the restrictions and they're all voters too.And finally, let's not forget the power of group think and how politicians operate in their own little bubble where conformity rules the day, especially nowadays. So when he weighs it all up Johnny politician reckons he's far better off toeing the line and back slapping the friends in high places.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Well it is literally from Reuters, so I'm not entirely sure what your point is.

    You don't like Gateway Pundit? Fair enough. It has a pretty extreme bias.

    But you're so utterly disabled by your aversion that you have to retire to the fainting couch before you get four lines in and find the link to the source?

    Spare me.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭MarkHenderson


    Covid is not a cold but you already know that. 6 million plus dead worldwide thus far would confirm that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I get the impression macron doesn’t care how he’s perceived and will do what he thinks is the right thing to protect France and yes that may not be helpful next year but as I said I don’t think he cares about optics even though you’d think he would care. I could be wrong but that’s the impression I get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,042 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Well why not use the original source instead of some far right grifter fake news site who has chosen to spin the word "could" into a clickbait article?

    It shows where posters are getting their information from and don't see why it needs to be dumped here.

    Sorry for upsetting you. I have a feeling if someone posted a link to RTE etc. you would be the first moaning about MSM.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Yes, I'm sure I look like the upset one in this exchange.

    Just go to the source. And chill the **** out, dude. You'll give yourself palpitations.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭cannonballTaffyOjones


    Are you one of these people that would mask babies ?

    Masks are pointless unless you are ill ...

    If one is breathing normally masks are useless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    So from that thread it looks like modellers are being asked to model only the scenarios that would require action while leaving out scenarios that wouldn't, and then politicians are pointing at these worst-worst-case models and saying "Look! We need to take action! The modellers said!"

    Scummy.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The World Bank's Covid Project ends in March 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Pfizer is making Billions off of this. Is it really that shocking that they would want it to last for as long as possible?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Omicron is only 23 days old today. Yet opportunist politicians are out with the usual bleating about the lack of planning. I wonder what contingencies they thought of.

    Meanwhile, Norway has banned alcohol sales, Denmark is closing entertainment venues at 10pm and the Netherlands is locking down. Michael Martin made the mature, responsible and deeply unpopular call. No thanks expected.



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    World Bank Document


    The estimated closing date is 31/03/2025. That's how long the World Bank thinks the fallout will last until.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Nobody thought there would be a variant of covid, it isn't something anybody could have predicted or planned for or used as an excuse for caution for 18 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,042 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    You seemed to have missed my point. Why did the other poster have to link to a far right false news grifting website if the actual article was of any importance?

    They spun the work "could" to invent a non story.

    Do you have a problem with me highlighting the poster is dumpling stories from very dodgy sources? If you do report my post instead of replying telling me to "chill the f*ck out*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭tomgrange1978


    I personally believe there should be zero restrictions since April 2020

    obviously at start of 2020 it was right to lockdown as nobody knew the expected mortality rate

    Given the mean and average age is 82 plus, for me 5000 deaths above the average deaths for 2010 to 2019 is acceptable per annum and only when we go over should we start with restrictions

    if you compare 2020 and 2021 deaths to 2019 total deaths are only up less then a thousand

    because most of the people dying from covid are not far off dying regardless

    this virus has always being a nothing and you can see from South Africa the latest mutation is a nothing too

    I don’t get the hysteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    I'm not surprised. For a virus with a 99% survival rate this is being milked for all its worth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,270 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Why should anyone accept your criteria for the number of acceptable deaths?

    Its not all about you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    What makes a covid death different to any other death?

    People die, deal with it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Everyone knew that new variants are part of the picture. The transmissibility of this one has forced the hand of health authorities all over Europe, not just in Ireland. Its arrival 4 weeks before Christmas has amplified the hysteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Milked by who I wonder? Explain what the Irish government has to gain by imposing restrictions on Christmas week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    I'm not the other poster's keeper, so I have no idea why he posted the link he posted but my assumption would be because that's where he saw the information he wanted to share.

    You can post what you want, but it is very disingenuous to get all up in arms about a not-my-politics slanted publication being linked instead of addressing the point made. It's like an ad hominem attack on the source rather than an actual point. Like you just really want everyone to know that you really don't like the meany publication, rather than having anything relevant or useful to say.

    And then you went with "you and the OP dumping that crap here lap up anything without any critical thinking" when I pointed out that the Reuters link was in the fourth line. I'm not sure I've ever posted a link to a GP article in my life.

    It's a pretty immature and aggressive way to try and have a conversation about anything. That's all.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    The only reasonable excuse I could see is that the people asking for the models and stipulating that they only include scenarios that require action are not communicating with the people receiving the models, who are in turn assuming that the models include all scenarios and not just "worst cases" that require action.

    It sounds helladumb, but from my time with a "proper job" in UK government I would be completely unsurprised by it.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,042 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    You decided to jump in and defend the OP and their sources after they went quiet when it was shown their link dump was shown up for what it was from a grifter fake news site.

    All I was doing was pointing out the dubious source. Sorry for upsetting your Saturday night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    I chose to point out to you that the link to the Reuters article was in the fourth line of the Gateway Pundit article.

    You seemed to be having some trouble.

    You're welcome.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,042 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    You keep missing the word "could" in that article. That's why the poster had to link to a fake news website instead of using the source.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,270 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,561 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    That's odd as viruses tend to mutate as a matter of course. The only people who didn't see variants arriving when this pandemic began are people who had or have no idea about viruses in general (and I'm only talking about trivia level knowledge as opposed to the insights of a virologist).

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




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