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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    We are all lay people but we can read simple numbers and we know for a fact that some of the assumptions being fed into these models are wrong yet they are still the only thing being used to make major decisions. That's not caution and would be called ineptitude in many other fields.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,792 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    There are loads of unknowns, this is true, but our expert medical people do know it doesn't spread after 5pm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Dr Fred




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    I agree they have handled it badly but we have been like the mirror opposite. They have ploughed a head and been late to enforce restrictions etc. we have been very quick to enforce ours. They open very quickly we are very slow to open.

    One thing they don’t have is bodies lining up the streets. And that is down to a well run health services like the NHS and dare I say it the English fighting spirit like the stiff upper lip mentality. They are living with covid yes there are some extra deaths but this is a pandemic you can’t have a pandemic with out a certain amount of deaths.

    So I would say we have been equally bad at managing this. We don’t have as many deaths per population but we will have some very long hospitalvwaiting times and some very serious issues to deal with in the future which they might not have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    The thing is, pubs are always quiet at the end of November and the start of December every year. Numbers socialising always ramp up from the weekend before Christmas. I can only think that that's the logic...

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,792 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    This is something that I worry about as a pro-vaxxer. If people see no immediate benefit to a vaccine then our booster campaign, along with any future ones will completely fall off a cliff



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ask what u can do for your country not what ur country can do for u.well we collectively rolled up our sleeves,took the jabs and it’s for nothing.thanks Saint Tony



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,104 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Jesus, listening to Eamonn Ryan on morning Ireland, he's sounding very rough, cold 🤔 Flu or....... ,

    still managing to talk Shyte all the same 🙄 it's almost 9am, he'll need a nap shortly, absolute clown

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    There are many people like this in the country. It’s the fact that these people don’t get the air time on the radio and telly they are never found during any of the street polls etc. they have no opposition party to stand up for them. Mary Lou and Co are just sitting to one side letting the government shoot themselves in the foot so why bother questioning them.

    Again people been paid to be at home not financially effected at all. If more people were financially effected I bet people wouldn’t be laughing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭foxsake


    because YOU are concerned you think it appropriate to enforce those needs/wants/fears on us all , pretty selfish tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Has Tony considered the pressure that will be put on the emergency services from amateurs who are not skilled in the fine art of early day drinking?

    I bet he hasn't



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    get ready for the real Christmas panto now today...

    Joe Public:"did ya hear the pubs are closing at 5pm?"

    Govt:"Nphet said close hospitality at 5pm, we think thats too strict, people need to enjoy their Xmas. We will close at 8pm"

    Joe Public:"phew,thank god, 5pm would have been horrible, could be worse."

    like that wasnt their plan from the start... rinse and repeat, over and over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Pat Kenny is on his masks hobbyhorse again - "anything on masks?" he asks hopefully to the guest reviewing the recommendations.

    Between him and those stupid Government/HSE ads every 20 mins with someone gleefully recounting the night out missed to the receiver and how great it was they weren't there, or telling everyone to RSVP a list of hyper-cautious questions to themselves I can feel my blood pressure rising already.

    Over to Spotify it is then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    How about you take personal responsibility for your actions? If you have vulnerable people in your life, do what you think needs to be done to keep them safe and let everyone else make decisions for themselves. This attempt by NPHET to micro manage everyone is getting ridiculous at this stage.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭foxsake


    this is pathetic sh1t. still cowering in fear of this illness which is mild on a population basis , the new variant is even milder .

    a country run by sh1tehawks or (which I believe) they are afraid of the sh1tty health care being exposed and are covering themselves,

    instead of allowing people make their own informed choice and god forbid allow some risk in their lives. because of the fear of some, we all must suffer.

    and to see some people champion this makes me wonder about their mental fragility and ability to survive day to day living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I've just read this after posting similar sentiment.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    The emergency services will be ramped up for the seasonal drinkers anyway ha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Yeah exactly.

    My best friend is home for christmas, and a few of us are due to head out for a few drinks to celebrate my engagement. My fiance has her own night arranged tonight for the same reasons.

    I am rarely if ever out anyway due to work commitments.

    Sorry for having the audacity for trying to have some semblance of a life in what is now a shortened window. Myself, and others in a similar boat, are somehow the problem though.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Very nice of the government to up tax on petrol/Diesel to a euro where they,ll make 5.5 billion euro but give back 170 million in a once off payment off peoples electricity bill.

    Government are scum out and out and this is how they operate thinking people are idiots.

    change is needed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I thought it was going to be another Brian Cowan type episode



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Like it's not even the stopping 12 pubs, all day sessions. Want to go on a date to a restaurant, want to head to the cinema to see the new Spiderman film, want a quick drink after a long day of work by yourself, family dinner in a restaurant as you're tired of cooking and cleaning. Nope to all of them.

    Its ridiculous anyone can defend stopping those.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    It's more than that. It's the Irish "need" to show how on-message or compliant they are or begrudge/attack anyone who isn't, or does/has things they don't. That with this attitude (as Beeechwood above displayed) of "if I can't do it, no one else should either"

    We saw it in the Tiger years with the same people competing with neighbours to have the new BMW and decking first, then in the Recession with them bothering themselves about what others were getting or "getting away with" that they weren't, and water charges with those happy to pay up attacking everyone else who questioned yet another quango and model that was flawed from the start.

    Now it's Covid and they are loving it... they get to proudly tout their vaccination status, ring the Gardai because Joe and Mary have a few people over, complain on the radio about "crowds" in town or that the restaurant didn't ask to see/give them a chance to show off their Covid cert etc.. and sure they are quite happy at home and collecting their full salary and having a drink with/after dinner.. sure what are people whinging about, this is great!

    We are a selfish, immature and devious people. Unless it personally affects them, many don't give a shyte about the effect on others. I'm sure we all know people like this!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The Vintners and the Restaurants Associations will stand for this.


    The public will also stand for this as they don't want to be seen as Far-Right, Anti-Vax Conspiracy Theorists, which the media have created a successful narrative of. Remember, anyone who goes out protesting is a Far-Right Q-Anon, Covid Denier. The type of folks that honourable people like Claire Byrne and the Journal have been warning us about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,424 ✭✭✭✭km79


    This is 100% what will happen. Ans the worst thing is we will all end up being happy out it. Sure it's not too bad........

    8pm closing time comes around. Lads with loads of drink on board.....off to bed I would say. Not a house party anyways. No sir



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    So screw the science, you are happy for the "experts" to go all Mystic Meg on it??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    He was sounding like that a few days ago too. Much be suffering from severe cold like symptoms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭323


    The medical "expert"

    “I’ve said it on a number of occasions before, this virus loves alcohol, that is a concern for us,” Tony Holohan

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭francogarbanzo


    It’s terrifying how well that strategy works, sadly.



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