Hawkeye - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

Yes but not the other way around - and the show dealt with some world changing events like the creation of InHumans and the return of S.H.I.E.L.D. to public attention.

it is an alternate reality pure and simple regardless of what the shows makers said at the start and clearly they knew it

Dunno about that, Feige recently confirmed Charlie Cox would play DD if/when he comes into the MCU, so anything can happen.

D+ shows have had a few opportunities to give a wink or nod to AoS, and each time it’s being ignored. So in my book the MCU have shaded AoS.

But also think your right if the theories on Laura are true, and if she’s not Bobbi Morse, then I guess they aren’t stepping on AoS toes.

To me they always had enough plausible deniability to say AOS was part of the main timeline of the MCU, as much as you need for most standalone MCU movies (e.g., why other Avengers/heroes don't show up to beat the bad guy).

For your examples, we've seen plenty of street level powered people floating around the MCU who don't come on the Avengers' radar to stop and Stark had built out the Avengers to the point where they didnt need any new SHIELD for support, especially with government ties.

I don't see how anyone could question how integrated they were during the initial series though, if they 'knew' it was an alternative reality they placed key plot points driven by the show in a $1.4 billion movie to support this lie. Plans clearly changed as time went on and internal politics shifted and they struggled to stay with the main MCU thread so had to make decisions that began to push it outside of the timeline.

Charlie Cox did a great job on Daredevil but this hardly spitting on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

several actors from non-MCU Spider-Man movies are returning to ply those characters

in what way is not shoehorning in some mention of an unconnected TV series an insult to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

they don’t even reference each other

Coulson is favourite of mine and I’m glad something more was done with the character BUT his death in Avengers Assemble is a key point that changed a lot.

he was never going to be reintroduced into the movies. the show was fine as a team of heroes flying under the radar. When they started changing the world is when they decanonised themselves.

And confirmed in the end credits with his name appearing now.

Of course, those who aren't familiar with the Netflix shows are probably wondering who the blurry picture is of.

One thing I'm liking with these series is showing blip returns. Liked the method they used here.

Funnily enough, when I returned to the Disney+ home screen, one of the Star Highlights is The Royal Tenenbaums.

I’m 3 hours away from sitting in the cinema to watch Spiderman No Way Home and I’d bet my life on Charlie Cox being in it now. I love that they are sticking with the Netflix actors to play the roles (at least for Kingpin so far).

For me it doesn’t matter if the Netflix shows are mcu prime universe or an alternate universe. With the creation of the multiverse in mcu canon it makes everything canon. AOS can be a different universe but the actors (apart from Coulson) can all turn up in the mcu now just like J Jonah Jameson has and play almost exact versions of themselves. Seeing Chloe Bennetts Daisy Johnson again in a D+ show would be great.

AOS spoiler

Just on J Jonah Jameson he might have the same actor but he's very different.

It'd be nice to see Chloe Bennett get any sort of work, anywhere. She pulled out of Powerpuff Girls, the official word was to work on something else but so far nothing has been announced and some of her instagram pictures from earlier have me concerned for her health.

Anyway, tonights episode. Enjoyed that. I know someone above said that they hope Yelena loses the accent. I hope she doesn't. It got a bit jarring when eastern block characters like Wanda became all American all of a sudden. Anyone familiar with She Hulk actor's, Tatiana Malsaney, work in Orphan Black will remember Helena from that show. The Ukrainian accent was a big factor in that character as was the accents of all the Project Leda clones.

5: Nooo! Stop ending episodes like this!

Good episode all the same.

God I’m loving that there Incorporating the Netflix actors into MCU. Hopefully we’ll see Charlie Cox now as well shortly in the movies. Daredevil was too good of a show not to go further.

Yelena is a good addition but there seems too many characters in this show now. Too many enemies and they still have the useless Russian gang wasting screen time.

You know the character is deaf right? She didn’t hear them being taken out. The first time she cops on is when she looks between the cars and notices her goons are missing and she immediately pulls a gun out. So she does react.

As for the casting…. I’m going to agree that I haven’t warmed to her yet as she’s only been allowed to play the role of “angry female who can fight” up to now. However, it’s one of her first, or maybe first roles, she’s actually deaf in real life, and I think it’s a good thing that they cast actors with real disabilities for characters with the same disabilities.

I’d say she has a range we aren’t seeing yet. I’ll hold judgement until her own series comes out.

Best Marvel TV series on Disney. Beats Wanda Vision, Loki or Winter Soldier series hands down imo. Really enjoying that it's set over a 5 or 6 day period in the run up to Christmas