Hawkeye - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

FunLover18

The more I think about the less the plot to this makes sense. I need to rewatch it but as far as I can recall, the tracksuits attacked the auction for the watch but the auction was organised by Eleanor? At her party? So why didn't Kingpin just ask her for it or buy it? Why was Armand killed? Maya then takes the watch, we still don't know why she wanted it or if it was Kingpin who wanted it.

ceegee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118366914#Comment_118366914

I didn't think the charity event was organised by Eleanor? Unless I'm misremembering they were attending the charity gala as guests?

Armand had discovered that Eleanor was involved with Kingpin (you can piece that together from their argument at the gala)

Agent Coulson

Looks like there might be more to Mockingbird and the watch.

D’Onofrio on the watch

“I’m trying to figure it out like everyone else,” says the actor about the watch’s significance, “I’m in the same boat: I really need more information.”

On Kingpin

Kingpin’s fate, “I’m with the fans, I want to keep playing this part. My hope is that we continue.”

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118366969#Comment_118366969

Was the charity event not organised by Eleanor? Ok maybe I got that wrong but you would think Kingpin would have a better way of getting it.

Sudden Valley

The Kingpin plan was just plain dumb. I don't think we need to make sense of it, just lazy writing. But why no cops or media turned up given the location of the fight, I don't know. I enjoyed the series but the last episode just felt off.

Did Kate Bishop actually kill anyone in the big fight? - think that would be a big thing for her as unlike Clint and Yelena she is not an assassin.

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118367077#Comment_118367077

Not directly as far as I'm aware, and remember Clint is trying not to kill anyone as Hawkeye either. Ronin was the assassin and, like Bucky's Winter Solider moniker, he's trying to put the assassin side to bed.

flazio

Interview with Vincent D'Onofrio on the similarities and differences between Daredevil's Wilson Fisk and Hawkeye's Kingpin and whether he sees them as the same man.

https://ew.com/tv/hawkeye-finale-kingpin-vincent-donofrio-interview/

https://twitter.com/vincentdonofrio/status/1474165472895463436?t=1M_iI4Y4bF4FRAsDSJcBTQ&s=19

kerplun k

Overall it was a great show, The last episode was probably the weakest of its run, but there was still a lot to like. Although it was great seeing D'Onofrios Fisk, I think it changed the trajectory to the shows tone, and it didn't really fit. I was thinking that it would have been better to stick with Eleanor, Yelena and Echo as the antagonists, and saving Fisk as a big reveal at the end. A final showdown with Eleanor / Kate would have worked better IMO.

The heart of the show was Clint and Kate. Renner and Steinfeld have excellent chemistry and the last episode really solidified their relationship. Renner is an excellent actor and it was great seeing him wear the costume for Kate. His hero speech was also a great callback to the one he gave to Wanda.

Since I watched Black Widow Ive wanted Clint to have a conversation with Yelena about how much Nat meant to him, and I think the writers done a good job with this. I thought the whistle was the perfect way to convey it.

While probably not the MCUs best show, I think it was the most enjoyable one to watch.

Need a Username

I watched the series finale earlier (or is it season finale?)

Great stuff. Love seeing all the trick arrows (pity there wasn’t more of them in the movies), loved the fight between Kate and Fisk, and the confrontation between Clint and Yalena was brilliant. And the owl moment was hilarious.

It was obvious from the previous episode that Laura was a former government agent so I thought I thought they were just dropping some hints as to how she met Hawkeye but I wasn’t expecting that watch to be hers. They never did explain why the Tracksuits raided the auction for the watch. Does the number engraved on the watch mean her code name in S.H.I.E.L.D. was Agent 19 ? Is that of some significance or just more hints as to her backstory?

The episode was a fantastic end to a great series (season?). Looking forward to more Kingpin and (I assume) Kate & Yalena becoming a crime fighting duo in the future.

Also looking forward to the Echo series. I had never heard of the character before and it will be interesting to see what they do with her.

Need a Username

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368967#Comment_118368967

This doesn’t mean though that the Netflix Daredevil show is part of the MCU now. It just means the actor is approaching the role in the same way. I really liked the series but it is is dark and grim for the MCU.

It is really good having D’Onofrio and Cox in the MCU and really having D’Onofrio play him as that same personality.

The fight with Kate was brilliant. Did Fisk have that kind of strength in Daredevil?

fritzelly

Did Fisk have that kind of strength in Daredevil

I don't remember him being that strong in Daredevil, yes he was strong but being pummelled by a car nope - more like he was able to pummel people

In the final fight scene with Daredevil they were both bloodied and bruised - then again I could be remembering it all wrong

flazio

I assumed armoured suit like what he had in Daredevil but it does appear he's got hold of some serum somewhere. Powerbrooker/Val perhaps.

Kirby

It was okay. Watchable, not great. Like most of Marvel's stuff of late. Sprinkles of some good stuff in there but pretty poorly written. There was a ton of stupidity in the finale. Hawkeye in the tree, first responders in cosplay, jack with a sword. All ridiculous. And don't get me started on Kingpin. The character we saw from Daredevil deserved better writing than this. I've rewatched Daredevil recently and that show is just leagues ahead of what we just got.

I would consider myself a big MCU fan but consider Falcon and the winter soldier, Loki, Shang-Chi, and Hawkeye as pretty meh. Of the Netflix shows, I think Wandavision did the best job.

There has been a lack of quality lately. Maybe it's too much freedom? Too many properties being run by different people without enough oversight? I don't know but I'd like to because this "phase" of marvel is not living up to what has come before it.

Slydice

Can't find easy access clip on youtube of dude saying "look at big tough hawkeye on prony" for the quick reliving of the lol 😕

Slydice

I stand corrected! This works so well on a loop 😁

"Big, strong Hawkeye riding prony"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6U72AUWB-o

AndyBoBandy

I think they really missed a trick by not having old Captain America in the audience at the musical, bopping along with a big cheesy grin on his face….

CastorTroy

I expected to see Yelena in the audience for the musical. Though might be risky if she's a critic of Natasha's portrayal.

pixelburp

Caught the end of this and, a little slapdash but not enough to derail the overall experience; it remains an overall excellent, character driven show. Though I'm in two minds about the Kingpin we met. Much watered down from what we saw in Daredevil; which, yeah sure. That Netflix show was hardcore R at times (no repeat of him smashing a guys head to pulp with a car door), but this version felt way too cartoon'y, making him apparently powered too arbitrary. Mind you, as coy as that last shot was, it wouldn't surprise me if he's really dead; Marvel just can't keep it's good villains alive.

Nigzcurran

Think I enjoyed this the most of the recent marvel stuff but after seeing Kingpin and googling him I can’t seem to find a daredevil thread which has 3 seasons on Netflix, I watched the first 2 episodes today and loved it. What’s the general consensus on it? An 18s rating sounds promising!

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118398926#Comment_118398926

Daredevil [Netflix - Spoilers] — boards.ie - Now Ye're Talkin'

Great show - the single shot fight scenes are amazing

Agent Coulson

The Kingpin/Echo final scene before they fade away and we hear the gunshot is taken from the comics

Need a Username

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118456098#Comment_118456098

He is that sophisticated Kingpin from the Daredevil series* - we just don’t see here as it isn’t part of this story.

Vincent D’Onifrio has he is playing the same character the same way. The whole alternate universe think doesn’t affect his approach to it.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118456274#Comment_118456274

I know there was a comics origin to it, but the Hawaiian shirt and random super strength was a bit jarring - compared with the more subtle, simmering bulk of the Netflix show. It was a louder performance.

It makes me worry that when Daredevil arrives, there'll be none of the bloody knuckles and obvious human limits of Murdock, and he'll be flipping about in CGI glory.

FunLover18

The Hawaiian shirt didn't sit well with me either. His super strength didn't really bother me but I don't think they'd earned that fight, KP meant nothing to Kate Bishop aside from the odd hint from Clint about "the big guy". It certainly wasn't the triumphant return I was expecting but it more to do with the fact that he was completely unnecessary.

Need a Username

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458314#Comment_118458314

It is an awful travesty but I loved it :)

when they showed the full song being performed at the end of the final episode I 100% excepted them to reveal Yalena in the audience either totally enjoying it or dropping a profanity in Russian, baffled at American culture.

I don’t know if I’m disappointed she wasn’t there or think it a good thing she wasn’t because it was too predictable

Slydice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118388227#Comment_118388227

I'm still stuck on this one. One of yer posts earlier got me to click play on it again

flazio

One thing I'm a bit unclear on. Where does "Val" fit into all of this? At the end of Black Widow, she's the one handing Yelena a picture of Clint as the Ronin and saying, how'd you like to kill him for being responsible for Natasha's death? Yet by the time Hawkeye is on, Yelena tells Kate that Eleanor Bishop took out the hit on orders from Fisk. Val is never mentioned. Was she just a messenger?

Need a Username

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118459393#Comment_118459393

Val is Yalena’s boss - she has has also recruited at leat one other black widow and John Walker

She was the contact and she assigned Yalena the job

The story didn’t require Val to be mentioned.

Need a Username

my thinking on this show before seeing it was that it was Renner’s farewell to the MCU

And it does wrap up his story - Ronin is put to rest, his family is safe, we get a little hint at how he and Laura came together and there is a new Hawkeye

however I do hope that Renner and the Barton family make a few more appearances in the future.

Kate is still and Clint (without needing to part of the action) and Laura can be a guide whenever she needs it. Plus she is more than his heir to Hawkeye - he brought her to his home - for Clint that means she is family

I do wish that Kate could be a hero with a secret identity though - I miss that that aspect of superheroes these days - but I suppose the nature of how the story unfolds means her name has to be out

SpiderMan’s reboot means he has a secret identity and in assuming Ms. Marvel did too so that will be fun

flazio

We're now over a month now since the show wrapped up and no sign yet of any episode of Marvel Assembled documenting the Making of, or any extras outside of a short gag reel. I know some deleted scenes leaked last month but I haven’t seen anything yet.

Useless Lump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578232#Comment_118578232

How long after previous series and movies did the episodes appear?

Eternals Assembled hasn’t arrived yet either

CastorTroy

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/disney-plus-uk-february-2022/

Hawkeye Assembled on the 9th

Eternals Assembled on the 16th

Had been reading through the list a couple days ago and remembered seeing them.

Useless Lump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578747#Comment_118578747

Is that a longer wait than the previous ones?

Slydice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578232#Comment_118578232

Don't think I was all that aware of the Assembled series until your post.

Trailer for the Hawkeye episode went up today:

Marvel Studios’ Assembled: The Making of Hawkeye | Official Trailer | Disney+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qHzefNzj-Y

flazio

More than the trailer, the entire episode is up, plus 12 deleted scenes in the extras section.

irishguitarlad

Just finished this tonight, thought it was dogshít to be honest. Has me worried about the Daredevil reboot after seeing the way they treated Fisk in this.

Sleeper12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118895892#Comment_118895892

I actually thought it was the best out of a bad lot of Avenger reboots. I watched it on the run up to Christmas. Maybe I was on a seasonal buzz

flazio

While Fisk became slightly more "family friendly" shall we say, from his Daredevil portrayal , it was still very recognisably Vincent D'Onofrio's take on the character.

That shift from friendliness to Maya and Eleanor to annoyance at their disobedience behind their backs is a trait that Netflix fans would know all too well.

Hawkeye was always trailed as a holiday romp in the lead up to its release, people shouldn't have been expecting a bait and switch to a Daredevil level of darkness and grittiness. Christmas isn't the time to be releasing that kind of stuff.

flazio

https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1526578308162506753?t=Fh5CzW6qxHCOUkCtVprCpQ&s=19

Next year.

I have literally zero interest in this non event of a character getting a series.

Absolutely nothing shown in Hawkeye makes me interested in Echo

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119076470#Comment_119076470

They'd need to add something like Kingpin to make this not a chore of a watch

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119076436#Comment_119076436

Does the character also have a prosthetic leg in there comics?

I’m guessing the story will be split between the aftermath of her shooting the Kingpin (or if him shooting her) and her origin story.

I’m hoping though it isn’t done in flashbacks - just kind of tired of them. Hopefully the present day is bookends to the origin story.

Spon Farmer

Any word on a Hawkeye and Black Widow series to follow this?

I know Dreyfus appeared in the credits scene in Black Widow but I have been assuming that she or her organisation are going to be the villains in a crossover series rather than in the movies.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119076436#Comment_119076436

I still don't get it. Her character was fine, contextual to it existing as a foil to interrogate Hawkeye's time as Ronan. Otherwise, I genuinely can't get behind the thinking here. Sometimes I do wonder are the MCU getting complacent and / or cocky.

Agent Coulson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119077051#Comment_119077051

The Hispanic market is a big market for Disney to target lots of money to be made from that market.

NSFW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Mn2NbjlqU&ab_channel=BillHicks-Topic

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119077079#Comment_119077079

Funny clip but what has it to do with a target audience for Echo?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118459546#Comment_118459546

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118579461#Comment_118579461

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119077179#Comment_119077179

I think the three of you would all get along you ask the same questions about everything in all the threads you post in

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119077079#Comment_119077079

I'm fairly certain Echo and her uncle were Native Americans. Of course there were native tribes in Latin America but I took Echo as being an American Indian.

Agent Coulson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119077202#Comment_119077202

Maya Lopez well I took that as an Hispanic name maybe a mix of Native American and Hispanic

The principal still sticks there is money to be made from now white superheros and Disney will try to cash in.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119077193#Comment_119077193

Three? That is two people.

And those three posts are different.

Are you in a room with fresh paint?