Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

Thou · 14-12-2021 11:30AM

Discredit it anyway you want, I just did the search on Twitter the video is on multiple accounts.

They may be anti-vax or whatever.

I have received the jabs myself, I am just concerned for the potential affects of these on children.

But unfortunately people consider this an irrational and unreasonable point of view.

faceman · 14-12-2021 11:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318767#Comment_118318767

You dont trust fact checkers but you trust a guy you had never heard without validating his claims who has since admitted he lied and has been proven to be full of sh1t.

Covid really has me thinking that there are more morons on this planet than there are sane people.

At least the debate with Schmittel, he has taken the time to read reports before coming to his/her own conclusion. Ive greater respect for that, even if I disagree.

TaurenDruid · 14-12-2021 11:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318767#Comment_118318767

He did not invent mRNA vaccines. He did not invent a "vaccine technology platform". He was one of a huge number of people who worked on such research. Here's another article about the man: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

If I'm making big decisions for my kids, y'know who I'm not going to trust? Anonymous accounts on Twitter or Facebook, giving me their "opinions" and "debate" about scientific facts.

Thou · 14-12-2021 12:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319049#Comment_118319049

Ok point made, I am sure they will be 100% safe and carry no potential risks or harm to children 😉

TaurenDruid · 14-12-2021 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319128#Comment_118319128

Every vaccine (and medicine, and food) carries risks of side effects or reactions. We know this. We also know the risk from side effects from COVID-19 vaccines is far less than the risks to health from COVID-19 itself. Further up the thread, there are links to the scientific papers demonstrating this.

seamus · 14-12-2021 12:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318767#Comment_118318767

Go do your own research if you don't like fact-checkers.

Malone is by all accounts a man tortured by spite and grudges as a result of being exploited and used in his early career. He did some pioneering work in the 1980s, joined a company who profited from his work, and then got shat out the rear end with little recognition. Since then he has done little of consequence, a Captain Ahab constantly chasing down his opportunity for revenge or recognition. He was involved in some early anti-Covid drugs trials which failed to produce good results and had put a lot of his stock in supporting the use of ivermectin and such as treatment. The failure of this, only strengthened his begrudgery.

On a personal level, Malone would love nothing more than to see the rollout of mRNA vaccines become a complete disaster, so he could finally see the white whale of established pharma and academia gets its comeuppance.

So all of his contributions should be viewed in that light.

Thou · 14-12-2021 12:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319175#Comment_118319175

Nah still goin to hold off, what's the rush, would like to wait and see more safety data, and no child in the state under age of 14 has died from Covid.

Thou · 14-12-2021 12:34PM

Thou · 14-12-2021 12:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319205#Comment_118319205

You know him personally do you

TaurenDruid · 14-12-2021 12:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319285#Comment_118319285

/shrug

Your kids, your choice. No, I'm not aware of the death of any child under 14 from COVID, in Ireland, either. They have been hospitalised, been admitted to ICU, and had long COVID, though.

But Twitter and Facebook.

hometruths · 14-12-2021 01:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319175#Comment_118319175

We also know the risk from side effects from COVID-19 vaccines is far less than the risks to health from COVID-19 itself.

According to NIAC as far as primary school kids are concerned, we do not know this.

faceman · 14-12-2021 02:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319713#Comment_118319713

Yet they are still recommending the vaccine, along with the CDC and the ECDC.

hometruths · 14-12-2021 02:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319987#Comment_118319987

Yes, they are strongly recommending that immunocompromised kids are vaccinated.

For healthy kids, they are recommending that they are offered the option to be vaccinated.

A very different grade of advice for healthy kids vs immunocompromised.

I suspect the fact that they are not certain for healthy kids in this age group that the risk from side effects from COVID-19 vaccines is far less than the risks to health from COVID-19 itself, is precisely the reason for the different advice.

Lumen · 14-12-2021 02:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319987#Comment_118319987

Not quite. They are recommending the vaccine be offered to everyone in that age group, and they are strongly recommending vaccination for those aged 5 to 11 years

with underlying conditions
living with a younger child with complex medical needs
living with a person who is immunocompromised

PicardWithHair · 15-12-2021 11:09AM

I suspect the fact that they are not certain for healthy kids in this age group that the risk from side effects from COVID-19 vaccines is far less than the risks to health from COVID-19 itself, is precisely the reason for the different advice.

^^ exactly this.

My kids are perfectly healthy and don't need this vaccine.

I have the vaccine and so does my wife, but our kids don't need it.

simple as.

I am amazed however the amount of parents that are boasting to sign their 5 year olds up for vaccines.(I live in Spain)

What do they think it will change ?

patnor1011 · 15-12-2021 12:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318885#Comment_118318885

Could you please be so kind and offer your credentials?

copeyhagen · 15-12-2021 01:00PM

school kids dont even need to self isolate if someone in their 'pod' tests positive, unless they are showing symptoms (what kid doesnt have a runny nose now?)

"if you want, you CAN contact the HSE for antigen tests in this situation"

that explains the seriousness of it on children.

TaurenDruid · 15-12-2021 01:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324204#Comment_118324204

"Simple as."

Yeah.

What do they think it will change ?

Well, the chance of my kids ending up in hospital, sick with COVID. Simple as.

All stats below for 26/11 to 9/12, from here: CIDR 14 day report 20211210_website.pdf (hpsc.ie)

Age Cases Percent (of all cases) No. hospitalised % hospitalised

0-4 3309 5.3% 27 4.9%

5-12 13164 20.7% 21 3.8%

(Sorry for formatting, no idea how to do tables on the new boards.ie)

Yeah, 48 kids under 13 hospitalised isn't many. Still sucks to be one of them, or to be the parent of one of them. But if they're vaccinated, the chances of them needing hospitalisation are far less. Simple as. As they say.

PicardWithHair · 15-12-2021 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324835#Comment_118324835

Are they in hospital because of covid or with covid ?

There is lots of evidence to say their risks of getting serious covid are less then side effects.

Again they don't need it, nothing is 100% certain, but I'm not giving them a vaccine for a disease they have practically zero chance of dying from or even getting anything serious from it ..

15-12-2021 01:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324867#Comment_118324867

There is zero evidence that the risks of serious covid are less than the side effects.

Also, I am sure you asked that you kids not receive the rubella vaccine also, the dont need it. Rubella is very mild in children

TaurenDruid · 15-12-2021 01:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324867#Comment_118324867

There is lots of evidence to say their risks of getting serious covid are less then side effects.

No, there isn't. Not from reputable sources. And further up this thread (e.g., previous page), there are links to actually reputable scientific studies showing exactly the opposite - e.g., your chances of getting myocarditis from COVID-19 are far higher than of getting it from the vaccine. Don't accuse me of spreading misinformation when that's exactly what you're doing!

astrofool · 15-12-2021 01:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324627#Comment_118324627

Not a chance, but why would you need them? Is the grifting of Robert Malone not plain enough for you to see? Or is there anything he's now pushing that you factually believe?

PicardWithHair · 15-12-2021 03:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324964#Comment_118324964

With adults yes,

With kids no - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

You are spreading misinformation!!!

PicardWithHair · 15-12-2021 03:52PM

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

Conclusions Post-vaccination CAE rate was highest in young boys aged 12-15 following dose two. For boys 12-17 without medical comorbidities, the likelihood of post vaccination dose two CAE is 162.2 and 94.0/million respectively. This incidence exceeds their expected 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization rate at both moderate (August 21, 2021 rates) and high COVID-19 hospitalization incidence. Further research into the severity and long-term sequelae of post-vaccination CAE is warranted. Quantification of the benefits of the second vaccination dose and vaccination in addition to natural immunity in this demographic may be indicated to minimize harm.

Yeah no thanks, he can get it if he wants it when he's 18....

15-12-2021 03:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325779#Comment_118325779

This analysis of your referenced report certianly checks out

He described the analysis as “half-baked” with “data that will certainly be co-opted by the antivaccine movement.”

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2251

Real data is different

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02740-y

Also

increased risk of myocarditis “is clustered around puberty and adolescence” in young men, which would mean a lower risk in children under 12.

PicardWithHair · 15-12-2021 04:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326016#Comment_118326016

So depends on what experts you want to trust, you trust the Sponsored by Pfizer guy ... fair enough.

Look if you want to get the vaccine for your kids fair enough - I would never want to force them not to have it.

The problem is I eventually will be forced to have them get the vaccine, from pressure by the school etc - for a vaccine that they do not need.

TaurenDruid · 15-12-2021 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325996#Comment_118325996

Oh dear, looks like you've been caught out there. Maybe you just weren't aware of the subsequent articles? And I already pointed out to you that the previous page of this thread (57) contains links to at least three such studies, again all showing higher risk from COVID than from the vaccine.

Also, your kid(s) can get jabbed at 16 without your permission, not 18. Although you live in Spain, so maybe the law is different there.

PicardWithHair · 15-12-2021 04:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326105#Comment_118326105

Ive only joined the discussion, well even if he wanted it at 13/14 I'd let him- if he made that choice himself , my nephew got it at 13 ... his choice he wanted to stop doing PCR tests ... poor kid, he has had to do about 4 since.

hometruths · 15-12-2021 04:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326105#Comment_118326105

contains links to at least three such studies, again all showing higher risk from COVID than from the vaccine

Are you talking about the post with two links to new reports criticising other studies? If so they are not research papers.

Which is the most credible study you have seen showing the risk of myocarditis from covid infection is greater than vaccine? i.e one with "real data".

TaurenDruid · 15-12-2021 04:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326231#Comment_118326231

Sorry, yeah, I've got,

* Myocarditis risks from Covid-19 vaccines are still less than the risks from Covid-19 - The risk of myocarditis has been found to be roughly 16 times higher in Covid-19 patients than in the uninfected. (Source: https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/comment/myocarditis-risks-covid-19-vaccines/ 1st December 2021)

* Myocarditis (or pericarditis or myopericarditis) from primary COVID19 infection occurred at a rate as high as 450 per million in young males. Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine. (Source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.23.21260998v1 27 July 2021 - NB: paper not yet peer reviewed at time of publication)

* Covid-19: Study that claimed boys are at increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination is deeply flawed, say critics (Source: https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2251 14 September 2021).

Good catch. My bad.

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