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Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    If Max remains calm he could become champion on Sunday. Last week he was too stressed and his driving was ragged. I think his father Jos, who seems to be a gung-ho, aggressive type of character, might be a negative influence in that regard. He would be better off listening to the wise heads on his pit wall. He has time on his side, unlike Lewis, and could potentially win ten World championships though not all with Red Bull.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭someyoke


    Max has brought some excitement back to F1. The casual sports fan more or less switched off during Hamilton's yearly procession.

    But now they're back, and the profile is back, there is finally a rival to shake up mercedes dominance. That's almost solely down to what an exceptional driver verstappen is.

    All this stuff about max being too aggressive is utter nonsense. F1 is littered with aggressive drivers throughout history, and they were driving in cars that were ten times more dangerous to crash in. Saying max is dangerous and we don't want him to win because of it is synonymous with the snowflake generation. It's become about track position and undercutting rather than racing. Glad to see two evenly matched drivers actually going wheel to wheel regularly.

    And with that we're seeing far more incidents than we've been used to, simply because they're coming together more often. Many of the incidents highlighted are pretty tame by comparison with those of the past. Max is not the most likeable character in many ways but man is he exciting to watch racing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    String of bad cars, and a string of incredibly fast teammates who made for very difficult benchmarks he needed to match up to.

    He was very impressive at Lotus and of course he was supremely fast before his sabbatical, before his WDC obviously but also after - the way Fisichella struggled so badly in that Ferrari when Massa was injured says a lot about how both Kimi and Felipe were performing - it was worlds apart from, say, George Russell or Nico Hulkenberg jumping a car last year and immediately being as fast as the regular drivers.

    In his second Ferrari stint he just wasn’t quite at the level of an Alonso or a Vettel as both those drivers were dragging some pretty poor Ferraris to heights where they didn’t belong, even fighting for championships against vastly superior equipment, which was a task Kimi just wasn’t up to.

    And of course he’s in his forties now so his performances were always going to dull. You could say he stayed too long but as long as he enjoyed it and Sauber felt he was a benefit to the team then I don’t think he cares in the slightest how it might change people’s perceptions of his legacy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    He had the slower car last weekend. If he kept his head and didn't push the boundaries, he could have lost by a minute to Hamilton if they both went full belt without safety cars. Same this weekend most likely.

    If he keeps the head and there's a completely clean race, he's got no chance. He needs something major to happen to slow Hamilton down and his best chance is to make it happen.

    He's notionally the favourite because ahead on race wins, but in reality he's second favourite by a mile. His only way to win is if something unfortunate happens to Hamilton.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    In his second Ferrari stint he just wasn’t quite at the level of an Alonso or a Vettel as both those drivers were dragging some pretty poor Ferraris to heights where they didn’t belong, even fighting for championships against vastly superior equipment, which was a task Kimi just wasn’t up to.

    This notion of dragging a car to where it doesn't belong or out driving a car or getting more speed out of the car than the car has, is absolutely fairytale nonsense. Its fine for media to use this kind of guff to hype a story. That's their job. But we fans shouldn't be caught repeating it because its not real.

    Kimi was very good, maybe even excellent once upon a time. Then he went off the boil and was exposed by faster teammates and he's been barely able to beat journeyman in Gio this year. In 5 years time nobody will remember gio because he was crap. And kimi has slid to that level. Kimi is crap now. He was once great, now he's crap and not worth a drive next year. He hung around too long and his career in totality is very much a mixed bag of reaching great heights and sliding all the way to being crap and coasting on reputation alone and eventually losing his seat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,167 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I think that's very harsh. I also think Kimi really does not care what anyone else thinks. He was just happy driving on F1 car it's the only thing he has ever really known except for rallying but they are very two different beasts. I also think Antonio Goovanazi was not that bad just that the car was crap. It would have been interesting to see both of them racing the new cars next year but we will not get that now which is a pity.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭fe1ki5


    Yeah I think Max's biggest downfall is Jos Verstappen.

    He comes across awfully (aggressive and negative).

    I get its his son and he wants the best for him and wants to defend him etc but he should perhaps be a wall between Max and the media instead of constantly talking to them and creating more non existent stories and in fact adding more pressure/hype instead of detracting from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I think it's an accurate description. I think it's unflattering to Kimi but the last few years don't flatter his career. There's no way to accurately describe his last few years that flatters his career.

    I agree that he doesn't seem to care about what anyone else thinks. But that doesn't make any difference to how he has performed in the last few years.

    We can either flattering, or we can discuss the reality of the steep decline in his performances. We can't do both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭eljono


    I have a smart Sony TV and was able to download All4 app for it so it's possible but may depend on the model of your TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    All 4 doesn't broadcast live channels in Ireland as far as I'm aware.

    This too shall pass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,015 ✭✭✭✭PsychoPete


    This is a nice little video. "I don't care at all if I'm remembered or not" is pure Kimi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    For people looking to watch it and download apps etc, the F1tv app is only a fiver a month or something like that.

    I use it alongside the TV for timing screens or watching specific drivers as they're chasing someone down. Worth a look...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭fe1ki5


    Predictions for today?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    My predictions are:Hamilton has the race pace to take his time, avoid major incident and overtake Max on track, in the pits or late in the race on different tyres.

    If Lewis gets track position then its race over.

    If Lewis attempts to overtake max, Max will get very aggressive and it will be up to Lewis to avoid the crash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭fe1ki5


    Yeah that's a fair prediction in my books.

    Perez could put additional pressure on Hamilton if he gets a good start with the softs but tyre strategy wise, you'd think it would favour Lewis.

    If Bottas can gain quickly it would make for an even better race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭lolie


    One driver who needs to step up today is Perez, if he gets a good start he needs to be aggressive early on and make it difficult for Hamilton.

    I dont recall him taking points of Hamilton this year whereas Bottas has done so a few times on Verstappen, most noticeably in Turkey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,228 ✭✭✭kksaints


    Didn't he do it in Turkey also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Kimi, we will leave you alone now..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,213 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    At least that wasn't won with a crash.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Congratulations Max Verstappen and Red Bull.

    I'm just glad it was sorted on the track and not at some committee table.

    Closest finish to a World Championship ever, just a couple of seconds in it. We shall probably never see anything like it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭fe1ki5


    Awful finish to the race.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,817 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 753 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING


    Reminder to post in the race thread please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭fe1ki5




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    After all the twists and turns this year, Mercedes as WCC and Verstappen as WDC is definitely the right outcome as best machinery and best driver come out on top respectively, and all the incidents and controversies earlier in the season can now be put to bed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Joeface


    Have to say that was some season watch .

    I have no comments on the top 2 drivers they were out there on their own really . Like a big margin to the rest.

    I had for most of the season Lando Norris as the actual driver of the season his performance all season was great , But in the end it's the Dark Horse in the Prancing Horse .Carlos Sainz , man he is unreal. Leclerce has his work cut out , but Ferrari have possibly the best driver line up on the grid , I hope the car is there or there abouts at the front next year. What is it 100 days till we kick off.

    Cheers to everyone for post and points of view the season, I enjoyed reading most of them . Some of you guys need to take a huge step back yer very heated with some of yer comments 🙂 as every I sign off for a few months to avoid all the non stories that float around in the empty space .


    Hopefully 2022 will be @ least 75% as entertaining as this ..


    Till the new season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Any podcast reccomendations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭barryribs


    Glad this farce is over. Two drivers at the absolute top of their game, poisoned by awful officiating and two horrible team principles. Penalties handed out for nothing, penalties which have had no impact on the result, blatant penalties not enforced and Masi just making it up as he goes along.

    I hope next year is a 1 stop snoozefest between McLaren and Ferrari and the drive to survive drama junkies can go back to watching WWE or east enders or whatever sort of manufactured drama they prefer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Does anyone one want to give the most casual of casual fans (I might watch 1 race a year) an "Explain Like I'm 5" as to why this season was so controversial, and why this race itself was controversial?



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