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Dublin Airport Bus Service Changes & Discussion

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Something you never thought you would see, but now you have.

    Seems that Dublin Bus have decided that in the absence of running their own service, they will sell tickets for Aircoach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Here is the official announcement from Dublin Bus about the closing of Airlink.

    What a sad end for Airlink. It had a good run in our capital city for a good number of decades.

    We didn't expect that a major pandemic was going to come in so quickly & end it's demise. It's another huge fabric of the city that has been wiped from existence meaning on this occasion; fate has told us what was going to happen to it. All that I can say here is damn you Covid-19.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,985 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    "Seems that Dublin Bus have decided that in the absence of running their own service, they will sell tickets for Aircoach."

    Maybe a sign of a broader agreement? Maybe we will see Aircoach Transfer + DoDublin Hop On and Hop Off tour tickets? Maybe Aircoach will take Airlinks bus stops at the airport?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25 Bumblebee2020


    “”Maybe Aircoach will take Airlinks bus stops at the airport?””


    already a done deal with the DAA they will run Dublin services from Airlinks lot.

    in the next week or two you will see the move happen.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,985 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Thanks for the confirmation Bumblebee2020, it makes sense, I couldn't see any other bus or coach company being big enough to take those premium lots. Aircoach most be relieved to be back in those spots, it will allow them to compete directly with DX. I wonder will they just run the Dublin services from these lots or will they also return to run the Cork/Galway/Belfast intercity services from there too or stay in the coach bays for those?

    I can imagine that there will be a reshuffling in the Coach lots with all the changes happening. Aircoach moving out partly or completely, needing less space, Expressway running less services from the airport, Citylink/GoBus merger, maybe space there for JJ Kavanagh, Wexford Bus, etc. to move back in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Where are Aircoach going?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Would make sense for Aircoach to split up their services, even in terms of space - I'd say when the 702/703 start back up, the stands they currently have would be a bit tight with 6 different routes using them at the same time



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,985 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    "Where are Aircoach going?"

    Basically where Airlink currently stop, at Terminal 2, across the bridge, down the stairs/elevators and too the right (DX being too the left).

    At Terminal 1, just outside the building, but across one road.

    Basically where the Arlink stops are marked on this map (note PDF file):

    In both cases, next to or very close to the DX stops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I heard recently that the Evora bus used for the crowne plaza hotel shuttle route on the Swords Road from Dublin Airport has been transferred to do a hotel shuttle route from Edinburgh Airport. What stop did that bus use at Dublin Airport?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    I wouldn't be surprised to see Airlink back in service in the next 1-2 years. The market at Dublin Airport has already returned to growth and at some point it will exceed the pre-pandemic levels we had before - it's only a matter of time that someone will come in to cater for it and DB are well placed to do that. Talk of Airlink being a failure per-pandemic isn't borne out by the usage on those services.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Doubt it as this wasn't just about COVID, despite what the public message from Dublin Bus says.

    It's about the fact a new well resourced competitor had started out on the airport runs and the fact that Dublin Bus would need to purchase an expensive new fleet to compete since their existing vehicles on the route are 12-13 years old. The business case in terms of return on investment would be quite poor now.

    Dublin Express is essentially new capacity which will help to fill a big part of the gap that Airlink leaves. They are doing the catering that you are talking about and I would imagine both them and Aircoach, being backed by large parent companies, will scale up services if needed.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,985 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I'd be absolutely shocked to see Airlink return in a few years. As devnull says, it isn't really Covid that has caused this (though it likely speed up the decision) but rather facing a very well funded large new competitor, at a time when they need to start to make decisions about buying a new fleet of buses/coach that would likely have cost in the region of 10 million.

    Trying to renter this market in 1 or 2 years would be utter madness. Now was the time for them to fight off DX, if they didn't do it now, they certainly won't do it 1 to 2 years from now.

    1 to 2 years from now, DX and Aircoach will have solidified themselves as the primary services at the airport. All the customers who might have taken Airlink, would have instead taken DX/Aircoach and gotten familiar with them. It is extremely unlikely Airlink would get back their premium bus stops at the airport (I suspect there are likely some burned bridges here with the DAA) and so would be operating from the coach park with the 16/41 which would be a major handicap.

    Also would their route license even still exist then? Would they need to reapply with the NTA for a new route license?

    The VG's would be 14 to 15 years old, so they would definitely need to buy a new fleet of vehicles (and the VG's may well be sold off by then / cut up for tour work).

    Also keep in mind, in a few years you have to start thinking about Metrolink opening and the competition (and capacity) that adds. I realise the Metro feels far off, but if they buy a new fleet of vehicles 2 years from now, they would be looking to operate them for about 14 or 15 years, so up to about 2036. The Metro will likely open during the middle of that period.

    And Dublin Bus has much bigger concerns to deal with, BusConnects and the on going negotiations with drivers and needing to protect their core PSO service and fight off competitors for upcoming PSO contract tenders.

    As disappointing as it might be, I think DB actually made the smart business decision here. They looked at the competition and their need to heavily invest in it going forward and decided that it was smarter to back out. They likely made nice profits on the service over the last 20+ years, better to take those profits and cut their loses, then to invest very heavily in the service and potentially lose money on it for years to come.

    No, I'm afraid Arilink is dead and gone and won't be coming back. What might be smarter to do is for DB to try and convince the NTA to create a PSO route that uses the port tunnel. Obviously try and avoid direct overlap with DX. Probably won't happen, but frankly more likely then Airlink returning.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Does anyone have hard figures on how much money the operators have to pay to the DAA per year to keep the premium bus stops in place at Dublin Airport?

    I'd imagine that if Dublin Bus and other operators were to keep paying fees to the DAA even when those bus stops weren't used for running services when their own Airport routes were closed during the pandemic. It's extremely likely to say right now that Dublin Bus in this scenario had a very limited pot of money to begin with being generated for their commercial services division when they had the tours & Airport routes bringing in their revenue.

    When Covid came along in March 2020; that money had dried up for them very quickly which has now resulted in Airlink being closed off for good. It didn't make any financial sense for Dublin Bus to keep paying the huge DAA fees on maintaining the Airlink Bus stops at Dublin Airport when no money was coming in from their customers to support that business in the first place. That's why it became unviable to continue on with it. Before that; they have had to mull over the potential headache of buying new buses to replace the VG's; with the money drying up within their own business model. Dublin Bus management just decided to make the hardest decision possible to their own staff they had to close the service for good.

    The private operators in this case don't have a problem in this instance to continue paying these fees to the DAA as they the large financial resources to back it up. If Dublin Bus continued to play this tactic with the private operators if they were low on funds when all of the Covid variant's are dead & buried; they would be seen as playing hard ball with very little gain to show for it in the end. They just couldn't continue within their own head to play these sort of tactics anymore. Dublin Bus had to fold their side of the bargain by scrapping Airlink & let the private operators pick up the slack once the Airport & the country goes back to normality.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Aircoach have now confirmed that the Greystones and Dalkey routes will return on Sunday 12th September.

    Timetable to be released shortly,

    @patrickbrophy18



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Timetables posted there overnight for the 2 routes. Hopefully get back to the 1hr frequency on Greystones soon enough




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭thomasj


    You can still buy airlink tickets in the leap card app ?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Aircoach have now confirmed they have moved to the former Airlink stops:

    Their website appears broken though, as you cannot seem to book a trip from Terminal 2 to Cork or any destination on the Leopardstown route as a single, but you can book a single from any destination on the Leopardstown route or Cork to Terminal 2.

    In addition if you try and book a return trip from any destination on the Leopardstown route or Cork to terminal 2, it gives no results. I presume this is, like the above, because for some reason the booking engine hasn't had a T2 stop added for southbound Cork and Leopardstown services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


    I also hope that they get back the 1hr frequency for the Killiney/Dalkey route. I am more than a little disappointed that both routes are being reintroduced with such a paired back frequency. The gap between the last and first service is a bit daft given that there are a whole bunch of flights between these times.

    It only means that people will be waiting longer between the time they arrive at the airport and the time their flight departs. If the accounts of others is anything to go by, it's bad enough that flying is a lot more stressful with additional checks for COVID certs, PCR tests and having to where masks without prolonging the experience.

    Finally, with the current timetables being valid well past the New Year and bearing in mind that the run-up to this Christmas will be far more hectic than last, it will be disastrous without a timetable review in the interim. 100% capacity should be consistent across the board.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    You'd imagine that as demand increases then frequency will increase. Would be mad not to have some sort of flexibility



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,985 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    It isn't quiet clear from the website, but it looks like they are operating all their services, including the Cork/Galway/Belfast services from the old Airlink stops.

    DAA have already updated their coach stop map and now Aircoach are only at the old Airlink stops and Aircoach old Zone 11 stops are now marked as empty. I assume there will be more changes in future there (note the map is named "interim"):

    https://www.dublinairport.com/docs/default-source/maps/bus-transport-map.pdf?sfvrsn=beabc4ba_2

    Also Aircoach's FAQ is now out of date, it still says the old location Zone 11.

    BTW If they do operate all services out of this new location, it might help them pick up folks heading to Galway who might not know about the faster Citylink service over in the coach park.

    Post edited by bk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭soundman45


    But these 2 routes are identical as far as Blackrock, passenger numbers beyond that point would be light even at the best of times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 491 ✭✭newbie18892


    I'm really hoping the aircoach Greystones route goes back to 24/7 service in the next month or so. Aerlingus changed my flight from 10:29am to 6:40am and there's no public transport options to get from South Dublin to the airport at the moment at that time. Seems a bit crazy as flights are running early in the morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That's not quite true about no public transport from "south Dublin" - the Aircoach 700 from Leopardstown serving Sandyford and Stillorgan has departures at 04:00 and 04:30 that arrive at the Airport for 04:55 and 05:25.



  • Registered Users Posts: 491 ✭✭newbie18892


    Those departure times definitely don't give enough time in the airport before a 6:40am flight considering we're supposed to be there 2 hours in advance of flight times (not even including the extra time for Covid checks they recommend)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    An 04:55 arrival for a local bus within Dublin for an 06:40 short haul departure would always have been sufficient.

    The only reason the airport wanted people there 2 hours beforehand was to get you to spend money there.

    90 minutes was always my cut off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭john boye


    I arrived at the airport at 450am for a 7am flight from T2 last Friday morning and it was far too early. Even arriving at 530 would have left a lot of time twiddling your thumbs as many outlets don't seem to be opening as early as they did pre-pandemic (though it's still advisable to give yourself at least 90 minutes just in case).



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    DoDublin now openly advertising Aircoach on their front page and now Aircoach are also selling DoDublin tours on their website.

    Might seem strange Aircoach and Dublin Bus linking up but in reality at present, they are not really competitors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Am I right in saying that the 702/703 only stops at Cardiff Lane coming from the airport? Looking at hotel options for a quick aircoach to the airport and I'm lost. You can book Airport -> Cardiff Lane but not the other way round, but they do offer a return ticket. Very odd.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The return ticket takes into account Samuel Beckett Bridge as the place to catch the bus from to the airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    It also allows them to mismanage the security queues and then blame customers for not allowing for that :-#



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭soundman45


    Thats correct as the bus returing to the airport picks up on the quays opposite cardiff lane, in the evening times buses were often stuck on macken st and cardiff lane for an hour or more so the route was altered and after the ballsbridge it goes via mount st, westland row, tara st onto north quays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Just to note that their map for routes 702/703 is inaccurate on their website, it currently shows the northbound services for both routes going via the toll bridge, with the Samuel Beckett stop seemingly located right beside the 3arena stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,968 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Got to the airport at 7.00am for the 9.45am to Newcastle on Tuesday, no real delays getting through.

    Used the blue car park for the first time. It was convenient and cheap.

    Newcastle airport has a metro attached to it, very useful. £5 to travel within all the zones is good value for the day.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Slightly improved Aircoach 700 service from 7th November as services continue to slowly be ramped up.

    This sees the addition of a service at 23.55 from Dublin Airport and a 3.30am from Leopardstown (previous earliest was 4am since services resumed).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭soundman45


    Anybody any idea what passenger numbers are like on the 700/702/703 Aircoach services since they resumed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Aircoach are increasing the number of services on the Cork route from 5th December.

    On a Monday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday there will be 15 services in each direction (was 13) and on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays there will be 12 services in each direction (previously 10). Full details on the timetables page of Aircoach.ie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭D.L.R.


    The Aircoach Dalkey/Killiney service (703) is absolutely awful since they dropped the east link route in favour of a long and uncomfortable route through town. It used to take 45 mins now it takes 1h15 or more. No reduction in fare to match reduction in speed of course!

    Those living along the Dart line are quicker getting the Dart into Tara St and transferring to the Dublin Express service outside the Custom House, for a faster and less vomit inducing journey. Unlike some of the other baffling routes, Dublin Express actually utilises the rail connection. Imagine that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    That is an odd decision for the 703. Why would Aircoach reroute it through town while it adds an extra 30 minutes at minimum to the route's journey time? Do any of the Dublin Express routes run through O'Connell Street to get to or from the Airport or would they use the port tunnel?

    I'd see that Aircoach have put up newer bus pole flags at their stops. I had a look at the new design on Darren Hall's Flickr photostream. The colour of the new flags look nice. However I thought the trend of private bus operators having their own bus poles here would soon become a thing of the past with services being integrated on one bus pole at each stop. Is that process going to become the norm from the NTA soon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I would have thought that the reason for the route taken would be fairly obvious.

    It's a commercial coach service and they need bums on seats to make it pay.

    The revised route takes them past a lot more hotels which means more people potentially using it.

    It also maintains the service through Ballsbridge since the the main city centre route (route 700) was re-routed along Leeson Street in both directions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭crushproof


    I've taken the 703 3 times since summer. However the other day I took the DART from Dun Laoghaire and then the Dublin Express. Low and behold it was faster than the 703. The route the Aircoach now takes is absolutely ridiculous and I've never seen anyone be picked up along the new route through town. It just gets bogged down in traffic, I will say it is slightly better than the Macken Street farce which took 2 hours once!

    A real degradation of the service and no wonder the last time I was it there was only 2 other passengers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭D.L.R.


    Dublin Express uses the tunnel yes. No intermediate stops, about 20-25 mins.

    Will never use Aircoach again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭D.L.R.


    Lost the DL market in the process though.

    The whole point of the original route was as a DL-DUB express service. There's now zero point using this service anywhere south of Ballsbridge.

    Dart + Dublin Express is faster, more comfortable AND cheaper. No brainer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 934 ✭✭✭d51984


    Theres talk of a new route to Clontarf via R132 / Clarehall and Donaghmede starting up early next year.

    Its a disgrace Joe!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭thomasj


    The new N8 from Blanchardstown to Clongriffin via the Airport should also be up and running sometime next year hopefully. Will be interesting to see how the two fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Just coming back to the 703 for a second.

    I'd imagine the route for it changed to go through the CC after the Airlinks were cancelled during the end of August because of Covid. It may be the big reason why going past most of the hotels in town to try & bring out to the airport.

    The 747 from Heuston Station to the Airport used to go past Westmoreland Street & O'Connell Street right up until Covid hit it & the 757 in 2020.

    As soon as Airlink was cancelled by Dublin Bus at the end of August; Aircoach just took the opportunity along with Dublin Express to take over getting a lot of the passengers at those stops since Airlink was scrapped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭D.L.R.


    No they changed the 703 well before Covid, at least 3-4 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    As I posted above, the change was to replace the 700 through Ballsbridge when it was switched to serving Leeson Street in both directions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭D.L.R.


    Then drop the price accordingly for the slower, inferior service.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    RTÉ News has just reported that a crash has occurred between a truck & a number of cars & buses on the T1 departures road at Dublin Airport.

    The truck collided into a number of vehicles at the time. The truck eventually stopped near the Circle K Garage at Dublin Airport. One taxi driver had to be cut out from his car with help from emergency services. It appears the truck driver had suffered a medical emergency while driving the truck.

    The departure road and main exit road at Dublin Airport are now closed at this time. Diversions are in place for the rest of the night.

    What a frightening incident. I hope the truck driver recovers from that horrible ordeal.

    Does anyone know what buses were involved in the collision?



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