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Dublin Airport Bus Service Changes

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ AngryLips


    I wouldn't be surprised to see Airlink back in service in the next 1-2 years. The market at Dublin Airport has already returned to growth and at some point it will exceed the pre-pandemic levels we had before - it's only a matter of time that someone will come in to cater for it and DB are well placed to do that. Talk of Airlink being a failure per-pandemic isn't borne out by the usage on those services.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭ dublinman1990


    Does anyone have hard figures on how much money the operators have to pay to the DAA per year to keep the premium bus stops in place at Dublin Airport?

    I'd imagine that if Dublin Bus and other operators were to keep paying fees to the DAA even when those bus stops weren't used for running services when their own Airport routes were closed during the pandemic. It's extremely likely to say right now that Dublin Bus in this scenario had a very limited pot of money to begin with being generated for their commercial services division when they had the tours & Airport routes bringing in their revenue.

    When Covid came along in March 2020; that money had dried up for them very quickly which has now resulted in Airlink being closed off for good. It didn't make any financial sense for Dublin Bus to keep paying the huge DAA fees on maintaining the Airlink Bus stops at Dublin Airport when no money was coming in from their customers to support that business in the first place. That's why it became unviable to continue on with it. Before that; they have had to mull over the potential headache of buying new buses to replace the VG's; with the money drying up within their own business model. Dublin Bus management just decided to make the hardest decision possible to their own staff they had to close the service for good.

    The private operators in this case don't have a problem in this instance to continue paying these fees to the DAA as they the large financial resources to back it up. If Dublin Bus continued to play this tactic with the private operators if they were low on funds when all of the Covid variant's are dead & buried; they would be seen as playing hard ball with very little gain to show for it in the end. They just couldn't continue within their own head to play these sort of tactics anymore. Dublin Bus had to fold their side of the bargain by scrapping Airlink & let the private operators pick up the slack once the Airport & the country goes back to normality.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭ devnull


    Aircoach have now confirmed that the Greystones and Dalkey routes will return on Sunday 12th September.

    Timetable to be released shortly,

    @patrickbrophy18



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,755 ✭✭✭✭ stephenjmcd


    Timetables posted there overnight for the 2 routes. Hopefully get back to the 1hr frequency on Greystones soon enough




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,627 ✭✭✭ thomasj


    You can still buy airlink tickets in the leap card app ?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭ devnull


    Aircoach have now confirmed they have moved to the former Airlink stops:

    Their website appears broken though, as you cannot seem to book a trip from Terminal 2 to Cork or any destination on the Leopardstown route as a single, but you can book a single from any destination on the Leopardstown route or Cork to Terminal 2.

    In addition if you try and book a return trip from any destination on the Leopardstown route or Cork to terminal 2, it gives no results. I presume this is, like the above, because for some reason the booking engine hasn't had a T2 stop added for southbound Cork and Leopardstown services.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭ patrickbrophy18


    I also hope that they get back the 1hr frequency for the Killiney/Dalkey route. I am more than a little disappointed that both routes are being reintroduced with such a paired back frequency. The gap between the last and first service is a bit daft given that there are a whole bunch of flights between these times.

    It only means that people will be waiting longer between the time they arrive at the airport and the time their flight departs. If the accounts of others is anything to go by, it's bad enough that flying is a lot more stressful with additional checks for COVID certs, PCR tests and having to where masks without prolonging the experience.

    Finally, with the current timetables being valid well past the New Year and bearing in mind that the run-up to this Christmas will be far more hectic than last, it will be disastrous without a timetable review in the interim. 100% capacity should be consistent across the board.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,755 ✭✭✭✭ stephenjmcd


    You'd imagine that as demand increases then frequency will increase. Would be mad not to have some sort of flexibility



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 20,920 Mod ✭✭✭✭ bk


    It isn't quiet clear from the website, but it looks like they are operating all their services, including the Cork/Galway/Belfast services from the old Airlink stops.

    DAA have already updated their coach stop map and now Aircoach are only at the old Airlink stops and Aircoach old Zone 11 stops are now marked as empty. I assume there will be more changes in future there (note the map is named "interim"):

    https://www.dublinairport.com/docs/default-source/maps/bus-transport-map.pdf?sfvrsn=beabc4ba_2

    Also Aircoach's FAQ is now out of date, it still says the old location Zone 11.

    BTW If they do operate all services out of this new location, it might help them pick up folks heading to Galway who might not know about the faster Citylink service over in the coach park.

    Post edited by bk on


  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭ soundman45


    But these 2 routes are identical as far as Blackrock, passenger numbers beyond that point would be light even at the best of times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭ newbie18892


    I'm really hoping the aircoach Greystones route goes back to 24/7 service in the next month or so. Aerlingus changed my flight from 10:29am to 6:40am and there's no public transport options to get from South Dublin to the airport at the moment at that time. Seems a bit crazy as flights are running early in the morning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,508 ✭✭✭✭ LXFlyer


    That's not quite true about no public transport from "south Dublin" - the Aircoach 700 from Leopardstown serving Sandyford and Stillorgan has departures at 04:00 and 04:30 that arrive at the Airport for 04:55 and 05:25.



  • Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭ newbie18892


    Those departure times definitely don't give enough time in the airport before a 6:40am flight considering we're supposed to be there 2 hours in advance of flight times (not even including the extra time for Covid checks they recommend)



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,508 ✭✭✭✭ LXFlyer


    An 04:55 arrival for a local bus within Dublin for an 06:40 short haul departure would always have been sufficient.

    The only reason the airport wanted people there 2 hours beforehand was to get you to spend money there.

    90 minutes was always my cut off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭ john boye


    I arrived at the airport at 450am for a 7am flight from T2 last Friday morning and it was far too early. Even arriving at 530 would have left a lot of time twiddling your thumbs as many outlets don't seem to be opening as early as they did pre-pandemic (though it's still advisable to give yourself at least 90 minutes just in case).



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭ devnull


    DoDublin now openly advertising Aircoach on their front page and now Aircoach are also selling DoDublin tours on their website.

    Might seem strange Aircoach and Dublin Bus linking up but in reality at present, they are not really competitors.



  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Am I right in saying that the 702/703 only stops at Cardiff Lane coming from the airport? Looking at hotel options for a quick aircoach to the airport and I'm lost. You can book Airport -> Cardiff Lane but not the other way round, but they do offer a return ticket. Very odd.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭ devnull


    The return ticket takes into account Samuel Beckett Bridge as the place to catch the bus from to the airport.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭ markpb


    It also allows them to mismanage the security queues and then blame customers for not allowing for that :-#



  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭ soundman45


    Thats correct as the bus returing to the airport picks up on the quays opposite cardiff lane, in the evening times buses were often stuck on macken st and cardiff lane for an hour or more so the route was altered and after the ballsbridge it goes via mount st, westland row, tara st onto north quays.



  • Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭ p_haugh


    Just to note that their map for routes 702/703 is inaccurate on their website, it currently shows the northbound services for both routes going via the toll bridge, with the Samuel Beckett stop seemingly located right beside the 3arena stop.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,074 ✭✭✭ ebbsy


    Got to the airport at 7.00am for the 9.45am to Newcastle on Tuesday, no real delays getting through.

    Used the blue car park for the first time. It was convenient and cheap.

    Newcastle airport has a metro attached to it, very useful. £5 to travel within all the zones is good value for the day.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭ devnull


    Slightly improved Aircoach 700 service from 7th November as services continue to slowly be ramped up.

    This sees the addition of a service at 23.55 from Dublin Airport and a 3.30am from Leopardstown (previous earliest was 4am since services resumed).



  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭ soundman45


    Anybody any idea what passenger numbers are like on the 700/702/703 Aircoach services since they resumed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,508 ✭✭✭✭ LXFlyer




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭ devnull


    Aircoach are increasing the number of services on the Cork route from 5th December.

    On a Monday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday there will be 15 services in each direction (was 13) and on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays there will be 12 services in each direction (previously 10). Full details on the timetables page of Aircoach.ie



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭ D.L.R.


    The Aircoach Dalkey/Killiney service (703) is absolutely awful since they dropped the east link route in favour of a long and uncomfortable route through town. It used to take 45 mins now it takes 1h15 or more. No reduction in fare to match reduction in speed of course!

    Those living along the Dart line are quicker getting the Dart into Tara St and transferring to the Dublin Express service outside the Custom House, for a faster and less vomit inducing journey. Unlike some of the other baffling routes, Dublin Express actually utilises the rail connection. Imagine that!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭ dublinman1990


    That is an odd decision for the 703. Why would Aircoach reroute it through town while it adds an extra 30 minutes at minimum to the route's journey time? Do any of the Dublin Express routes run through O'Connell Street to get to or from the Airport or would they use the port tunnel?

    I'd see that Aircoach have put up newer bus pole flags at their stops. I had a look at the new design on Darren Hall's Flickr photostream. The colour of the new flags look nice. However I thought the trend of private bus operators having their own bus poles here would soon become a thing of the past with services being integrated on one bus pole at each stop. Is that process going to become the norm from the NTA soon?



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