Julian Assange cannot be extradited - Oh yes he can...

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you've heard of whistleblowers? snowden and assange were not whistleblowers. they just dumped everything that was stolen. they had no idea what lives or even how many they put in danger. that isn't journalism.

You didn't add much, just repeated yourself.

Journalism? Huh. Didn't I ask you exactly how via standard procedure we could all know what we should know. There is no way to do it via journalism. How would that work? A journalist respectfully asks to view the Top Secret files in the deepest recesses of The Pentagon. Yeah right.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A barefaced lie.

Are you suggesting they read and reviewed the thousands documents and emails and then realised them knowing full well they would be putting peoples lives at risk ,or did they just mass dump everything into the public domain and allow enemy's of the states to access all the documents.

Some of these "dumps" releveled video footage from a 2007 U.S. Apache helicopter attack in Baghdad, Iraq,
that killed at least nine men, including a Reuters news photographer and his driver.
That's a good thing isn't it?

Also the Army manual Guantanamo Bay, Cuba showing the Army had a policy of keeping some prisoners from
Red Cross inspectors and holding new prisoners in isolation for two weeks to make them more compliant for interrogators.
That is also a good thing in my book.


Without WikiLeaks this info would still be hidden.



10 years ago BBC checked and found no truth in that lives would have been endangered. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-11882092

One thing the experts appear to agree on is that the leaks will make it more difficult for US diplomats and human intelligence operatives to do their jobs.
Although that does not present an immediate threat to American lives, strained international relations may create a more dangerous world.

Has any new evidence come up since 2010?

our world is much better and safer for the actions of the brave journalists julian and edward who exposed criminality.

Hellokitty1212 wrote: »

Neither are journalists. The journalists did the actual work.

Assange is a grifter and Snowden has blood on his hands.

Snowdenhas no blood on his hands, that's just a claim made by those trying to discredit him for his necessary actions.
as for julian being a grifter? that's not the case.

Hellokitty1212 wrote: »

Neither are journalists. The journalists did the actual work.

Assange is a grifter and Snowden has blood on his hands.

Even if you're right the blood on his hands is a spot compared to the tsunami of those he exposed!

Gatling wrote: »

Lol

It's still happening on a daily basis around the world , funny how it hasn't changed a damn thing.

Snowden is just a common garden thief nothing more ,assange is coward with an ego who's not threating suicide to get out of jail ,pack him up so ,he end up in a prison cemetery where he will be forgotten about

julian and his brave actions will never be forgotten, the same with the non-thief edward.
of course criminality by the US and others still goes on, nobody should have expected it to have stopped completely.
either way our world is much better for their actions in exposing this criminality.

end of the road wrote: »

julian and his brave actions will never be forgotten,

Of course they will the world has moved on ,

All without wikileak and poor little Julian sits in a cell awaiting his next trip

BattleCorp wrote: »

Would you be happier if the world didn't know that the US was spying on its own citizens, were shooting innocents from a helicopter gunship etc?

The world has always known about countries spying on their own the fact some people claim to be shocked by it is more shocking ,
**** happens in war , guarantee the same people would be quick to deny chemical weapons attacks in Syria , journalists and doctors regularly flying off balconies in Moscow ,
Nothing changed or will change **** happens in war do you actually think someone leaking America did that and America did that will change ,or major players stop spying on their own populations no .
Go stay anywhere in Russia guarantee every hotel ,b&b ,houses , apartments are wired for video surveillance , China is the same ,
So what changes absolutely nothing other than a handful of people thinking we got one up on America

BattleCorp wrote: »

Your attitude seems to be that if something has always happened, then let it happen. There's nothing we can do about it. I don't agree. If every single instance of illegal activity that America/Russia/China/Ireland carried out was exposed, eventually you would get less and less of it.

My attitude is nothing changed ,the world didn't change , America has gone completely potty which will add up to increased surveillance of the population there and elsewhere ,east Germany is a prime example a large number of the population were actively spying on behalf of the stasi , when Germany unified do you think everyone just stopped spying for security agencies ,
Oh look someone leaked some information about America yes but it's nothing that was always known ,did America stop doing it no ,they just moved on with the next program

Assange and Snowden will be forgotten about as this hide away or eventually end up in US prison cells ,they would probably get more respect if they did stand up in American courts and layout all the evidence they have rather than hiding out in foreign countries,

Assange showed us what's going on on the ground , eg the us army can shoot innocent people in certain country's, if they lunch rockets from drones often innocent people are killed , but these people are classed by the army as enemy combatents also it turns out alot of the charges made against Assange were based on evidence given by a known fraudster and criminal recruited by the fbi which turned out to be untrue and were simply made up to help the case go forward

Eg assange did not engage in hacking he gave certain documents to journalists which exposed serious war crimes

He's a whistle-blower who pointed our serious war crimes carried out by the US military and how it was covered up by the government I don't know why this case is not getting much coverage in UK papers

Ah I think in the case of Snowden in particular his treatment is unfair. He is charged under the espionage act yet committed no espionage from what I can tell, he did not collude or sell information to a foreign power, rather he gave information to newspaper journalists. He claims he would return and face trial if they allowed him a defense of public interest, rather than the slam dunk of proving he leaked information to the public which he freely admits. If he arrived in the us he would not be given a platform to defend himself, he would be immediately incarcerated and denied access to the press. He would never be released. All this for exposing nsa programs that go against the public interest in a democratic country. If you had a referendum on the nsa tomorrow I wonder would the American people choose to end it? Is the governmental apparatus not "for the people"? The nsa record everything and with no expiration set on how long they can keep the data. They don't just record suspicious activity or people of interest. It is clearly against the interest of the people that they are supposed to serve and should be discontinued. Comparing the us to east Germany is pretty sad, it's childish in general to give yourself a free pass because the other guy is doing it, that is not what leaders do.

Meanwhile, Prince Andrew carries on without a care. No Justice.

Context. Folks will recall the Swedes dropped their sex crime case against Assange in late 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_Authority#:~:text=Investigation%20dropped%5Bedit%5D-,The%20prosecution%20announced%20that%20the%20investigation%20had%20been%20dropped%20as%20of%2019%20November%202019.,-%5B5%5D

There was a reason for that.

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