Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

Wibbs · 10-12-2021 12:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118300085#Comment_118300085

The vaccines reduce the risks of serious illness and death and have been very good at that, particularly in the old and vulnerable. They also reduce symptoms overall. The vaccinated are much less likely for the illness to "go to the chest" compared to the unvaccinated for example. The symptoms tend to stay in the head.

The problem is it turned out they're less good at reducing transmission, though still do so and you're more likely to suffer breakthrough infections compared to other vaccines. Still, they are a very impressive bit of science getting them to the population so quickly. Espeically given that there has never been any effective vaccine against the corona family of viruses. Vaccines against stuff like flu are much easier to produce. Coronaviruses are little bastards by comparison(though a vaccine against HIV is an even bigger difficulty).

celt262 · 10-12-2021 01:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118300185#Comment_118300185

At this stage you would wonder why this still has to be explained to people.

NUTLEY BOY · 10-12-2021 01:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118297598#Comment_118297598

That would be consistent with doing your own contact tracing.

completedit · 10-12-2021 01:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118300185#Comment_118300185

Greater risk but how much greater? I'm not against the vaccine, it's incredible that we have the understanding to be able to produce something like this but I'm more concerned with coming out the other side of this. As Wibbs pointed out, the vaccines aren't that good at preventing the spread of the disease which answers my question as to their rationale behind continued quarantines. We need a more effective vaccine in this respect, how effective will the vaccine have to be before it's deduced that ICU's aren't at risk? Just shows how we're in this for the long haul; what a terrible time to be alive.

Wibbs · 10-12-2021 02:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118300566#Comment_118300566

Hardly a terrible time to be alive. We're not even close to that living in a western liberal society like we do. World war two was no picnic for Europe and elsewhere, with outbreaks of unimaginable horrors on the regular. Never mind going back to pandemics of the past. Try a third of the infected dying from smallpox, another third scarred for life, including a fair chunk blinded. Or cholera or the plague, the latter killed well over half of those infected(the pneumonic version 100%). The flu pandemic of 1918 killed more too. It's a given that the covid 19 pandemic has caused all sorts of heartache, personal and societal but it is the least deadly in world history. It can be easy to lose that perspective.

completedit · 10-12-2021 02:11PM

It is what it is though, by the standards we have become accustomed to this an awful time to be alive. I think the negatives that have come out of covid(beside death) such as restricted freedoms and an over dependence on the digital sphere are in keeping with the general theme of our times of alienation and loneliness. Covid has only exasperated this.

Lumen · 10-12-2021 02:14PM

@completedit wrote

As Wibbs pointed out, the vaccines aren't that good at preventing the spread of the disease

Spread of infection, but infection causes less disease in those with immunity.

salmocab · 10-12-2021 02:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118300566#Comment_118300566

Well I’m sure someone can do the maths but the people in hospital are currently roughly 50/50 vaccinated/non vaccine so if 50 % are coming from the 90% vaccinated and 50% from the10% non vaccinated, I know which side I’d like to be on. Yes we need better things to fight it but they haven’t just stopped. There are drugs being released to fight it and they are still working on vaccines. If people like you hadn’t taken the vaccine we’d all be much worse off now.

MrStuffins · 10-12-2021 02:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118300085#Comment_118300085

It's December 2021 and you still need to ask this question?

completedit · 10-12-2021 02:38PM

My assertion is that life has become so limited anyway we could achieve what we have achieved without the scale in uptake of the vaccine. The vaccine hasn't allowed us to return to the best aspects of our pre-pandemic lives as we are still living this half-life even with 92% of adults vaccinated.

salmocab · 10-12-2021 03:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118300817#Comment_118300817

So you think if we had no vaccine we would be exactly where we are now?

completedit · 10-12-2021 03:10PM

It's hard to think we're in a good place as we gear up for another tetchy awkward socially distanced Christmas. I get the development that has gone into the initial vaccine rollout will probably get us to where we need to be but as for the lived experience we have right now, I think we have pretty much stood still.

odyssey06 · 10-12-2021 03:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118301117#Comment_118301117

Without the vaccines we would have had many more deaths this year and very likely we'd either be in or just out of lockdown - level 4/5.

It hasnt dealt the virus a knockout blow but its keeping it in its corner, so to speak.

FlipperThePriest · 10-12-2021 04:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118300817#Comment_118300817

Not a chance. Look at the difference between Bulgaria and ourselves... 2 countries with similar populations and similar waves. One has a high uptake of vaccines, the other has about 25% uptake. Look at the vast difference in outcome. (edit: meant to use Bulgaria)

dominatinMC · 10-12-2021 04:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118300817#Comment_118300817

If we didn't have widespread vaccination, we would 100% be in full lockdown right now, particularly with our high case load. And with our extremely conservative superiors - but I won't get into that here!

Hotblack Desiato · 11-12-2021 01:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118300704#Comment_118300704

Whinge whinge whinge. If you remembered the mid 90s, Gareth Beruukes and Oasis you wouldn't want to go back there for sure. 😋

Apogee · 11-12-2021 01:46AM

39,018 boosters on Thur 9th - highest daily number for booster campaign thus far.

Wolf359f · 11-12-2021 02:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304014#Comment_118304014

Seems to be high demand, despite what you read on boards. I think people realize vaccines help protect you and yes a third dose is key, especially with Omicron. Amazing to think some user was criticizing the EU for going with an additional contract for boosters with Pfizer.

Happydays2020 · 11-12-2021 07:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299268#Comment_118299268

Interesting but the peer review aspect is critical for science and data. NYT is not the paper it was and has a lot of opinion pieces which are not particularly robust.

is_that_so · 11-12-2021 06:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304197#Comment_118304197

Eh, they just reported all of that. What has your opinion of the NYT got to do with this research?

Champagne Sally · 11-12-2021 06:40PM

I am over 50 and had my 2nd vaccine on 4th May. I’m a bit confused now with how to get my booster, is it purely walk-in only for my age group or will I receive an appointment?

I had my other doses with my GP but they say now I have to wait for HSE?

No texts yet though.

Happydays2020 · 11-12-2021 06:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118306232#Comment_118306232

Don’t mind me. I am grumpy and pissed off with Covid, NPHET, HSE and the media.

ddarcy · 11-12-2021 08:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118306331#Comment_118306331

If your GP isn’t doing it again then they should’ve forwarded you onto a MVC and you would get contacted by the centre. It seems some GPs haven’t been to bothered getting around to that.

So you could walk in to an MVC or go to a pharmacy. Officially boots say if you’re in the HSE list to be done then they’ll do you, as an example. I’ve heard rumours that boots got a massive stock haul, so more appointments will be coming online shortly (although it may be only be certain pharmacies getting them, but still worth checking). Also ring around other local pharmacies. Once they have 6 they’ll do a run with the vial.

rameire · 13-12-2021 03:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315326#Comment_118315326

that's great, I'm getting mine on Thursday. looking forward to it.

link looks spam like.

seamus · 13-12-2021 03:58PM

It is spam. Even the use of the word "vid" and "YT", as well as the deliberate misspelling of Pfizer, are all copy + paste spam designed to get around automated filters.

astrofool · 13-12-2021 04:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315501#Comment_118315501

Imagine if science used the same tactics?

"So we know all vaccines work 100% and give you superpowers as well as eliminating all transmission, here's Bill Gates saying he'll pay everyone who got a booster 100 bitcoins if they'll register here on griftchute, I didn't get vaccinated but after my arm fell off, I wish I had".

kleiner feigling · 13-12-2021 05:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118301598#Comment_118301598

No harm comparing countries, but important to acknowledge that Bulgaria and Ireland are extremely different in terms of health systems, overall population health etc.

From OECD...

Bulgaria "Deaths from both preventable and treatable causes are well above the rates for the EU as a whole, reflecting weak primary prevention and health promotion activities, as well as the need to improve diagnosis and treatment protocols for leading causes of death. Survival rates for the most prevalent cancers are among the lowest in the EU"

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/social-issues-migration-health/bulgaria-country-health-profile-2021_c1a721b0-en

Apogee · 13-12-2021 10:14PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1470489157755617285

Stark · 13-12-2021 10:21PM

Aside from the small minority of people who were late registering for a vaccine, will it make any actual difference in reality? I imagine most people who were vaccinated in the main wave of vaccinations are near the 5 month mark now. (My 5 month anniversary is in 2 weeks and very doubtful I'll be offered one by then).

Azatadine · 14-12-2021 03:33PM

Allowing for "Pfizer says"....this does look promising.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-says-covid-19-pill-near-90-effective-final-analysis-2021-12-14/?utm_source=reddit.com

Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

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