Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

Yeah Kimi came into Formula 1 with very little racing under his belt. He was very impressive in Mclaren but poor car reliability let him down. He may have had a lot of luck to win in 2007 but he had earned a championship before that.

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What you mean by 'was in front' in max's case is being behind going into the braking zone but not slowing down enough to be able to take the corner, going straight on, thereby 'being' in front?

Being well behind is not at all accurate, he has to be least level to challenge or be ahead to defend which are the positions he's been in if he's able to use this apparent tactic of driving people off the road.

Contrast Hamilton, verstappen was never half a car length behind resulting in him tagging a competitor on a corner ruining his race. Hamilton had previous for this, to use your own words it's becoming a "pattern".

So based on that pattern if anyone is to be worried about being tagged and race ruined it's Verstappen.

Turn 27, Hamilton ran max off the track. Warning

Canada a few years ago, Vettel made a mistake and was deemed to have squeezed Hamilton while he tried to avoid crashing. Penalty cost him the race.

Max was in front on track until this corner approached. Hamilton was on the outside and had got to a position of being maybe 1/3 of car in front of max at brake zone. At that point if max can keep it on track if is still 100 percent max corner as every driver will run the other out wide in such situation.

So that's what I mean by being in front.

Now by braking very late, losing the rear and running through the corner max came out in front.... He was in front before approaching the corner and in front after. Plenty of cases in the past of Schumacher under pressure approaching a chicane while under severe pressure braking impossibly late and jump across chicane and maintain place.

All I'm saying is maintaining a place by going off track should be penalised same as gaining a place but they need to do this across the board. History tells us they don't apply it across the board.

^ A message from Alfa to Giovinazzi.

He gave the position to Lewis afterwards. Then got penalised anyway. He also gave up the position in Brazil soon after. For all the bluster in the British media, Max has done absolutely nothing untoward that has impacted the championship in any way. He outbraked himself late braking while defending the inside line on a couple of occasions, never made any contact or gained any advantage, and didn’t go on to keep the position in either case. Massive mountain out of a tiny molehill, drivers brake late on the inside while defending all the time.

Meanwhile the xenophobic media spend all their time focussing on that and completely ignore the fact that Max would already comfortably be the mathematical champion by now if he hadn’t been taken out by Lewis’ dirty and dangerous driving in Silverstone, and taken out by Bottas the race after for good measure.

There’s probably nobody alive today who’s more of an authority on F1 driving than Fernando Alonso and he’s already pointed all that out during the pre-weekend interviews at Abu Dhabi, mentioning the amount of points Max was robbed of in those incidents and saying Verstappen deserves the championship because of that and because he’s been driving on another level.

Of course the media have barely picked that up, endlessly quoting yet another British driver Norris’ inane comments about brake testing instead as that goes along with their narrative.

Are we back to discussing that Vettel thing? Because he was absolutely robbed on that occasion and I can't believe there are people who still say otherwise.

Ah here!

'He also gave up the position in Brazil soon after. For all the bluster in the British media, Max has done absolutely nothing untoward that has impacted the championship in any way'

He didn't just give up the position in Brazil, he was passed and didn't have a choice in the matter. You make it sound like it was a gracious decision on his behalf.

And as much as you'd like to pretend Monza didn't happen, it did and Max was at fault. A race Lewis most likely would have gone on to win, so yeah, he has cost Lewis points directly in an untoward way.

Also as good as Alonso is/was, he'd say a blind dog deserved the chpionship more than Lewis. Generally it appears in any interview if the choice is between Lewis and anybody else, hell pick anybody else because he obviously still has bad feelings in relation to him and his first round at McLaren.

They are in worse cars though. The Aston Martin is awful this year as is the Alfa.

Alonso is an exception in general throughout his career from going all the way back to his Minardi days, he has always got the absolute maximum from whatever he was driving, including those awful McLaren-Honda's.