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My Bungalow Bliss

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭gooner99




  • Registered Users Posts: 756 ✭✭✭techman1


    I wonder what Jack Fitzsimons ,the author of bungalow bliss would make of it , the whole thing is contrary to everything he stood for, building a modest house on a tight budget where the design of the house was based on this philosophy

    Here you have expensive architects , designers and builders involved in the refit of a modest bungalow, He would have ran in there thrown over the tables and threw them all out like Jesus did in the temple in Jerusalem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭recipio


    I thought it was a poor outcome for the money spent. What on earth was that laminated post for ? I think they will regret that frosted glass screen They had loads of attic space which was sacrificed for the double height concept. Really, both the builder and the architect should have alerted them to the problems of no foundations under the walls before they started digging ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Architects are notorious for not giving a damn about budget and just focusing on design.

    Underfloor heating is just not feasible in refurbs.

    That half see through partition was terrible too. Someone having a shower you'll see the outline of their privates.

    I wouldn't be putting in any big panes of glass like they put in either. Anyone who is in the self build groups will know windows can spontaneously shatter due to a multitude of reasons. A bird fly into it, a football damage it or even a burglar smashing it will mean you have to spend thousands to replace it all. The architects don't care, they'll have the picture on the wall when the house is done and it'll look great and they get paid.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    If it was me, I would be suing the architects over he foundations. Why was that not checked? It beggars belief this aspect was just brushed into the rubble.

    Another point utterly missed was the question of radon. The house is built on granite area which is an Irish radon hotspot. It should be standard practice for all houses in these areas to get a home test kit to check for radon, even if building work is not planned - but if it is, then it should be a requirement. Also, given the huge risk of radon, which causes lung cancer, it should be standard practice to install a radon barrier membrane anyway.

    This programme is a very good advert as to why employing an architects will bankrupt you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭recipio


    Another quibble which you might have missed. The guy making the doors plunged a door rail straight on to the spindle moulder head - a good way to lose a few fingers. he should use a jig instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭leath_dub


    I know well what opaque means. You probably need to look up what "almost" means though !

    It was a ridiculous feature. Even the architect, when trying to sell the concept to the owner (using plastic sheeting) sounded embarrassed having to make the suggestion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    If it's opaque, then you can't see anything though it. Simple enough explanation, and no reason to get worried about someone seeing you in the shower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,233 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Insane money for a small bungalow.

    They showed a living room/kitchen, a bathroom and one bedroom of the finished house and they loooked very basic.

    650k for that, and thats factoring in the couple doing alot of the work themselves, its ludicrous, architect and builders should be sued.

    How can a budget of 140k exponentially increase to 312k ?

    That poor couple will be paying off debt for the next 20 years.

    Hugh has the cheek to sit there then and tell the couple what a great home they have, the emperors new clothes syndrome seems to be back again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I haven't heard of large glass panels shattering myself. I've got a 2.2m x 2m, and a 3m x 2m triple glazed window, and have had multiple bird strikes, and no glass shattering. It would be covered under insurance anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I was scrubbing through episode 1, trying to find the opaque bathroom window. 🤣

    Didn't realise it was episode two that you were on about. I see what you mean about someone seeing you in the shower now. But that window also isn't actually opaque, despite them calling it opaque.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭leath_dub


    Apologies, I thought you were being tongue in cheek. I didn't realise that you're either an idiot or are being deliberately obtuse. You can't see through a concrete block. The whole point of using opaque glass was to let light into the corridor, so of course you can (partially) see through it.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,406 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    I accept you need a contingency budget but that's just taking the pi$$.

    Episode 1:

    Hugh: What's your budget?

    Bespectacled guy: €205k

    Hugh: Have you contingency?

    Bespectacled guy: €30k

    Hugh: So your budget is €235k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    I wouldn't worry about the opaque window. That's relatively easily solved with a roller blind or something if it's a concern and I do think it's worth it to have the light in the hallway as those bungalow corridors can be very dark.

    It seemed to me that the architect gave them a proposal initially that was over their budget but presented it on the basis that we can do X now and Y down the road when you have more money. The programme didn't really show how they got from there to the couple deciding to go the whole hog on it.

    One thing that comes across from these two programmes is how horrendously expensive it is to retrofit old homes and I'd say it's making it totally off-putting for anyone watching who was thinking of going down that route.

    This year's season of Cheap Irish Homes had some inserts of homes that had been brought back to life on very reasonable budgets. Most likely they wouldn't have A BER ratings at the end but the owners also wouldn't have a huge financial burden overhanging them either. 🤨



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭who what when


    Firstly there was a structural Engineer on the job, foundations are their baby.


    Secondly where are you getting the notion that a radon barrier wasn't put in? Of course it was. They dug out the existing floor in order to put down a new insulated floor with UFH, costing them 70 grand in the process so off course they put down a radon barrier.


    There's so many issues one can have with this show you don't need to go off and make up more for the sake of it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,406 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Do you get VAT back on a new build in the south? In NI a new build you can reclaim the VAT, but AFAIK a renovation means you pay VAT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭who what when


    No you don't. That would be far too progressive and sensible for this country.



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    I wonder how the producers pick people for these shows. These shows always start with a budget that gets blown to pieces fairly quickly. People always seem to be able to come up with the money though. I imagine the producers have an idea of how much money is available to a couple before they commit to filming their build. No point filming people who back out of things after being told how much their works will really cost them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    although I suspect sort damp rewire re plumb, sort out the insulation, new kitch/bathroom for say under 100k isnt what they are looking for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭leath_dub


    Do RTE and/or the production companies pay the homeowners anything for using their story for entertainment purposes? I'd be surprised in the Architects are providing their services to RTE for free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭monseiur


    I stand corrected Trondheim....need to make an appointment with my optician !

    But the fact remains that a high budget, futuristic house should have a full bathroom with a jacuzzi / whirlpool / hot tub or similar not juat an apartment type shower.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Cheap Irish homes selected people who bought when prices were at least 30% cheaper and they nearly all had the ability to do a lot of the work themselves.


    Cost of construction labour and materials has gone through the roof the last 2 years. Construction workers have all the power now and are demanding silly money for work



  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Trondheim


    I think the jacuzzi's are a bit of a gimick tbh, but I agree that a shower is not sufficient for a family house. You need to have a bath at least, and not having one will impact the resale value.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The show just annoys me. I’ve no interest in seeing people with a few hundred grand to spend getting fleeced by architects playing out their wet dreams.

    I want to see a show that gives genuine advice and ideas to the majority of bungalow / cottage owners (myself included) who might have 20-100k to spend, or access to a home improvement loan, and who want to improve their BER, introduce some eco friendly aspects (like solar) or carry out non-structural improvements to kitchens, bathrooms, adding sunroom etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    The architects have some neck on them.

    If I was told a client had 140k budget, I'd design something within a budget of 140k, no matter how disappointed the client may be.

    For an architect to come along and basically urge a client to spend 200k more is ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I've been to a bunch of houses that Architectural Farm have done, and they do look really nice when finished.

    That said, a friend of mine engaged them a few years back for an initial consultation, with a certain budget, and they came in 20k over budget. At least start within the clients budget, and creep up if needs be.

    Most people seem to go over budget on builds though. No point lumping in your contingency budget from the start!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭leath_dub


    It's rife in the building industry. When we were getting the kitchen redesigned and went around the usual suspects. Whenever you give the measurements over and basic outline and ask for a ballpark price, you'd never get a straight answer. The reply would invariably be "what's your budget?". So when you quite a figure back the budget would represent the most that the customer is expecting to spend. From the kitchen guy's point of view, the figure quoted represents the bare minimun they'll be expecting to trouser from the job

    nd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,233 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Are they even architects, half these high profile "Architects" are just glorified Draughtsmen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    100%. We reno'd a bungalow we bought towards end of 2019. We had an architect do plans only for us, no more and we didn't see him again. We had a strict budget of a 100k and no we didn't pull another 50k out of a hat towards the end! I project managed it, and we spent the 100k that we had. The aim was to finish in 4 months, it took 5 months instead so not bad and we moved in 2 weeks before the very first lockdown. No way we could have kept paying a mortgage and rent any longer so we moved in a week or so before the kitchen was installed and just got on with it! Aside from widening a few doorways & changing two back to back fireplaces into a double sided one, no major structural changes.

    Although the house is from the 80's, spending 100k on it totally brought it into the 2020's without changing the footprint or roofs, subfloor etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Of course they are architects. What kind of a statement is that?

    Aren't there loads of exams you need to do, after you finish college, to even practice professionally as an architect?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭monseiur


    I 100% agree woody22, Jack Fitzimons of Bungalow Bliss had an understanding of the ordinary working person and his/her housing needs, requirements and financial parameters. He was a practical man and his house designs were never intented for people who had more money than sense.

    RTE / Virgin Media should consider a series of programmes to inform, guide, advice, offer practical ideas etc. to the younger generation who have inherited these bungalows and who plan to modernise & future proof them within a reasonable budget.

    Having someone from SEAI on, for example, to explain the different grants available and how to go about applying for them, explaining BER and related requirements etc.etc.

    A good mechanical engineer could explain the different modern heating systems available and show how they work and what situations they suit or not as the case may be, with visits to houses with the different systems being installed & completed with end results etc. included.

    Same applies to internal & external insulation, windows, etc.

    The emphasis should be on getting the best value for money, the do's & don'ts when dealing with builders, suppliers etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,233 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Its a very valid statement.

    A quick look at the Architectural Farm website would indicate that the husband is an Architect but his wife is an Architectural Technologist.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,459 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Just to clarify re the foundations.

    It is quite common what they found.

    I only scanned through that program but I believe it was a house with external wall build off a footing and internals built off the subfloor.

    This is very common for 70s and 80s builds and is a recipe for disaster.

    This wouldn't be referred to as a raft in the industry.

    What they did was take everything inside the external walls out and re did the floor and internal walls from new footings upwards.

    What surprised me most was the house appeared to be build from single leaf hollow blockwork. Considering that walltype, the need to remove all floors and the structural work they did to carry roof, I would tend to suggest demolition day one might have been just as cost efficient. Looking at the roof they left behind, I'd be very disappointed and the polished conc looked all over the shop considering gaps under skirting.

    Must rewatch to look at the detail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I noticed a bit of an irregular gap alright, on the units just inside the front door.

    Isn't concrete for polished floors poured at a higher spec, with less variation in height?

    Otherwise it's a lot more work to grind and polish, which would obviously cost more to do.


    No way I can rewatch it, just can't deal with the ads on the player.

    Are there any detailed photos online of this project?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭Radio5


    One thing I never like in a house is having the front door opening directly into a room, in this case into the main living/kitchen/dining room. Basically everyone coming into the house has to come into this room which isn't great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Ah yeah, just spotted that it was Stone Seal who did the polished concrete. They would usually work with who ever is pouring the concrete, to make sure it's the spec that they need.



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    I'd say for My Bungalow Bliss the client pays the architects.

    I image on Room to Improve Dermot Bannon provides his services for free. It's his show and it acts like an advertisement for his practice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭leath_dub


    What's in it for the client, then? RTE are making a programme out of them, selling adverts on the back of it. No doubt the orogramme will be sold on overseas in time as well, making another revenue stream. With all the hassle of film crews, etc - why would you do it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭enricoh


    A lot of the architects would be on a percentage of the building costs, what's not to like if it goes over budget!

    They would have been miles better off knocking it. Nice views from the site, you don't get that in a new 3 bed estate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    I like the show. They are hardly going to put a house onto it with someone spending 20k to upgrade it with a lick of paint and some insulation.

    It was always going to be a go big or go home. I watched the first episode and will watch the second, before I even turned it on I knew what I was in for so not sure why people watch just to complain.



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    Not really sure. There might be a small contribution from the production company?



  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    I expect RTE are paying for the architects. That's the way I took it, no chance the people could afford for 3 architect companies to review and give options



  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Trondheim


    I don't want to derail this thread, but i would love to know what you did.

    Any chance you would start another thread and detail the work you had done, choices you made, starting and finishing BER etc.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    What I couldn't believe is the third bedroom has the washer and dryer in according to the plan. No utility area designed in . Crazy at that price.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It would be useful as that’s where I'm at with a 1950s cottage, and just starting to consider what to do. I follow a couple of good resources on FB:

    cottageology-Irish cottage renovation and appreciation

    self build and renovations ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    You are talking about Home Rescue, which is on RTE as well and I like it but then again I like getting some hints and tips

    For BER improvements most of that is available online and depends on what you want to implement, just because a BER moves up doesn't mean you are getting a hueg advantage. Like my house when I bought it was so low down, even just sticking in bulbs etc jumped it up



  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    I done mine up, circa 100k in the end but not finished.....updated without a massive knocking of interior/exterior walls plus jumping to a B2 BER



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