Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Hillarious isn't it. I mean why is everyone shutting nightclubs all at once. Most of Europe do not let the great unwashed to enter so you would think with everyone being fully vaxed they would be one of the most safest enviroments to leave open.

The first case(s) of Omicron detected in the north yesterday. The CMO in the north was on the radio earlier and was being pushed to explain why restrictions weren't being increased the same way they were in the south when Omicron was detected. His explanation was that the health service in the south is under much more pressure than that in the north...

Loooool.... nah, just common sense and if getting the vaccine has the bonus of allowing freedom to do things I enjoy, while the dull eyed goombahs think their stance on not getting vaccinated means something... then yeh, I'm good to go with that

😂 oh no I will have to eat garbage cause the gym is closed for people who are unvaccinated. enjoy the gym anyway 😘

Statement like ..''allowing freedom to do things I enjoy,'' how the HELL can people think this is an acceptable sentence.. you should not be ALLOWED to do things you enjoy... you should be just DOING them.. as grown ass adults... and yes, I understand we have laws.. but going to the gym/cinema/restaurant,...should not at all be considered as against any law, based on a VOLUNTARY vaccine.

If this was any type of relationship, what we have between the people and the government.. enforcement of ANYTHING through coercion is toxic and wrong.. and if this was in relationship boards.. ye would all be screaming to get out of this relationship/ get a divorce, etc... people stay in these situations, as they are weakened and conditioned .. and at this stage of the game, it should be clear to all, this is not for our individual benefit anymore..

but that's not the way it is working is it... COVID has changed the world... move with the times... or sit alone at home ranting online about the evils of vaccines and the bad people in the government

Same in Germany the are trying to get everyone on the Moderna booster because they have 16 million sat in fridges.

Do people not understand risk? To live you take the chance of risk and all that it entails; it is embedded in what it is to be a human being, that was true 50,000 years ago and it is true today. People seem to be unable to get their heads around the idea that more normality will equal more case numbers. I thought the point of living with covid was that people would accept the risk of catching the virus but there was a collective understanding that to be alive is not the same as living.

I think more of us need to get covid(knowingly); it still has that connotation of 'Oh, such and such HAS covid', the more people have it and experience it as a benign illness the more it will lose significance in the mind.

I'd love to know what people are waiting for? A generation of old people to die alone and scared and for the other half to die restricted and depressed? I am amazed by the impact that signalling can have on people; 2 weeks ago covid was waning then health professionals and governments around Europe come out and raise the possibility that a new variant may be more virulent(importantly, not more deadly) and people retreat back into their holes acting as if every little behaviour will have an impact. In fairness to NPHET and Govt. they did put forward the idea of reduced interactions to limit the chance of spread but people don't hear this, they either turn it into a meme or take it to mean that the world is going to burn and any social interaction will have disastrous consequences. Another thing I've noticed people seem to think that it is possible to get 'more covid' depending on how many people you're around, as far as I know this is not true, of course you increase the chances of getting the virus but more people doesn't equal a stronger infection. So people will be content to go to moderately large gatherings in 'safe' places but feel unsafe in places such as clubs which seem unsafer but really are they? I've heard of people who will go to Avoca for lunch but not out to a restaurant dinner but anybody that has been to Avoca knows that the place is always extremely busy. Again it's more perception than any real estimation of risk.

It is true the world is changing, however as adults in a democracy, it is healthy to question health policies that are not for health benefit of the people anymore. It is healthy to look around us and see how are the powers that be, are actually using that power.. and people with power can and have overstepped it.. they have broken our constitutional rights (travel etc) and keep extending that power.. without the vote of the people..

This is what makes society, different people with different view points.. people following illogical restrictions on daily life , in my opinion.. is not a healthy new world to be moving towards..

I dont think vaccines are evil,I think for those that need them, they are very much essential.. I do feel however, it is a personal choice and I respect that. nor do I think the government is full of bad people...never said that...I would hate to have their job.. but I do feel the discussion needs to be opened to ask more questions... and people just going along with everything prevents that from happening.. the media not asking questions etc ..

I feel you keep trotting out these percentages without actually thinking about what you are saying.

You are acting like its a massive number of people.

50% of a small number of people is still a small number of people.

There is absolutely no scientific basis for restricting the majority of unvaccinated healthy people who will NEVER end up in hospital.

If there were 20 people in ICU and all unvaccinated would you be going on about 100%?

Or

If there 500 people in ICU and 10% were unvaccinated would you then consider that the passes aren't needed?

Despite the total numbers being higher?

By your dumbass logic we could also start dividing down how many people in ICU are Obese and then put restrictions on them.

Oh look 50% of people in ICU are Obese. Better ban ALL obese people from the gyms.

Think about your logic.

Gyms = Good for health for everyone and proven effectiveness at keeping weight down. Reducing chances of needing ICU due to being obese

Unvaccinated = More at risk if they are fat and unhealthy

Solution = Don't let those at risk stay in good shape because they might put the vaccinated people at risk from a virus the vaccine is supposed to protect them against...

BECAUSE SAFETY!

Safety for who?

You are vaccinated so are you not safe?

Vaccines so effective at stopping the spread that only the unvaccinated are allowed indoors with the same restrictions being brought back in as when nobody was vaccinated during 2020.

Oh and don't forget ""HAHA!!! WE CAN TRAVEL NICE AND EASY WITH OUR PASSES!!!"" oh wait...now we ALL have to do covid tests.

So your vaccines gave your freedom back?

Just bend over there again, spread your arse. We have more freedoms to give you.

**** me theres so much idle speculation in your posts its astonishing.

1) very few people, including immunocompromised actually have contraindications to getting the vaccine. Fact.

2) 70% came from other wards? Eh, that's how most people get admitted to ICU! You're just speculating that they got covid in hospital with no evidence (tho that doesnt diminish the degree of hospital resources utilised when someone has covid, no matter how mild it is).

3) under 18s can get the vaccine, its licenced from under 12 up.

This **** thread sometimes illustrates all that's wrong with society now. Mere speculation by people who haven't any knowledge or expertise and get to push their own agenda with no knowledge of the underlying issues and too arrogant to admit their own limitations.

Convenient way of deflecting from the party issue in number 10... oh look over there

of course its' idle speculation. cos they don't issue solid statistics - that was a large trust of my point.

so thanks for agreeing with me .