Gyms to Reopen 2021???

From my second post on the subject: "The jury is out on cardio but certainly no reason why masks can't be worn while weight training and moving around the gym." My position hasn't changed.

I'm not here to spoon feed you information regarding the opposing view but the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (USA) and the European Respiratory Journal are just two organisations that have a different opinion on the matter to the WHO.

It is down to space, ventilation and clientele. For my own gym that's from the very small to the very old and it has never gone down the mask route but it does have a very big floor area, oodles of windows and operates other restrictions sensibly, all to very good effect and we've all been safe throughout.

I'd have happily walked away from this exchange if you hadn't been so obnoxious ("toughen up princess", "it's easy to confuse you by the the looks of things").

Saying the "jury is still out" on a subject whilst also stating that the "case is well established" is hypocrisy plain and simple.

Life is too short for this, you're right there. It's also easier to have your opinions entertained by others if you aren't acting like a petulant child whilst trying to get them across.

You'd imagine an awful lot of them are doing the same thing and it's really not a huge deal to to do it just once.

I wonder are gyms putting a lot of memberships on hold.

Some did during the lockdowns, some didn't but monthly members are unlikely to get anything back. You can understand the position of gyms and their members at the suddenness of this pretty pointless measure.

Glad to see this being brought in. Hopefully they will expand the use of vaccination certs across the wider economy as well. The unvaccinated 6% make up over 50% of cases in ICU, that figure is what could lead to further lockdowns and undiagnosed cancer cases etc. Get jabbed unless you have a genuine medical reason. Decisions have consequences.

Hard to know but we do know there is a direct correlation between being unvaccinated and being in ICU.

Where else should certs be introduced? The only places left that don't require them are shops.

there are certainly people out there miscalculating their risks , the other anecdotes I saw recently of people in ICU regretting their decision to not get vacced that were described as "healthy" had more chins than a chinese phone directory so their thought process must have been mind boggling

So all obese vaccinated people will never end up in hospital with Covid?

There's lunatics on either side of this debate, neither group are in touch with reality, your above comment is based on nothing but your own opinion but you post it here as if it's fact.

I mean, it's not as if scientists have proved that obese people are at higher risk from Covid, oh hang on they have... https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/covid-19-attacks-fat-cells-leaving-obese-patients-more-vulnerable-study-finds-1.4751202.

People in glass houses and all that.

That study states that the obese among us are more likely to have severe covid symptoms which would include being in ICU. Which has been discussed already.

You're just saying that in your opinion that isn't the case. Your opinion is wrong.

So the lunatics on either side idea is very much apparent, no offense.

You asserted that they wouldn't end up in ICU at all of they were vaccinated. That's not true.

Vaccine effectiveness wanes over time, a lot of people who were fully vaccinated ended up in ICU because they weren't (and by extension everyone around them) aware that boosters were going to be required.

The booster campaign itself acknowledges that being vaccinated isn't a guarantee of not getting seriously sick with covid. What you said wasn't correct, being obese and vaccinated doesn't mean you can't possibly end up in ICU. The fact that you cited "lunatics" as the real issue when you are willfully ignorant of the facts yourself was what got my back up.