Curb Your Enthusiasm - Season 11 - HBO Max (**Spoilers**)

Yes, as I mentioned, the racial stereotypes are clearly too subtle for me in this show! You can enjoy them, you and your other friends on this thread. Also (again) I'm only arguing with people that attack my opinions; people like you that cannot seem to live and let live. Look, you like lazy stereotypes, I get it. There's nothing wrong with you. It's just who you are. Don't worry about it.

That's true.

If you find Leon's character offensive than Curb really isn't for you. The fact that Larry named the black family he took in 'The Blacks' tells you all you need to know about where the show is coming from. The whole point of the show is how eschewing social norms because they are absurd leads to even more absurdity, and laughing at the audacity of an old white Jew who doesn't give a F.

The show walks some fine lines but never feels like it is mean spirited or hateful.

I lived in a US city with a high black population and knew/went to school with plenty of guys who talked and acted a lot like Leon. And they were feckin hilarious. That's why Larry has him in the show. It may be stereotypical but it's not unrealistic and it is (usually) funny.

If Leon didn't act like a stereotypical black guy then the juxtaposition of him with Larry's world wouldn't be funny. In Curb the actors are allowed to improvise a lot and I'm sure JB Smoove has input to his dialogue. If he isn't offended by his character why should white people be? Curb actually has plenty of black fans specifically because Larry keeps it real and there is a lack of corniness in the writing.

If you watch Killinascully or Young Offenders then there are Irish stereotypes and tbh they are exaggerated more than Leon is. To me this is just like the ridiculous nonsense leading to the Simpsons taking Apu off the show. Go to the US and the majority of those types of shops are in fact owned by someone from the Middle East. Most of them not as friendly as Apu!

Blazing saddles?

Maybe their audiences were pieces of **** who liked laughing at easy targets? :) Seriously though, both of them are about as appealing as a child molester. Never understood their success. But clearly there are people who enjoy offensive comedy when it is at the expense of others less privileged. Real brave, edgy stuff. But sure it's only banter! Can't we laugh at each other anymore??? :)

I don’t think comedy is your thing

Is that a reference to me? I never said that the casting of Leon is stereotypical racism. Read my previous posts accurately if you want to have a pop.

Well as I said I grew up in a black neighborhood in the US where on more than one occasion I was beat up, sucker punched, had items robbed from me before specifically because I was the white boy so I've probably experienced a lot more racism than yourself. I've also likely been around a lot more black American males than you have and lots of them act like Leon. Some I knew were even crazier. And none of them would think the show is racist. Unless you use an actual racial slur they aren't bothered, much like the Irish they usually have a good sense of humour about themselves. Omg there I go stereotyping again.

I don't doubt that you knew people that acted like you say they did, that they were almost stereotypes themselves. I encountered that in America too with many different races. All I'm saying is that I used to love Curb because Larry was smart enough to say offensive sh*t and have stereotypes in the show, but he'd end up making himself the butt of the joke/loser in the end. The show hasn't done that recently, and there's more of a "isn't Larry great, let's cheer him for being offensive and challenging PC-culture" feel to the show. And having Leon there as the only black character sticks in my craw because all I see is the stereotype now. Leon was hilarious when there were other black characters around him, now he's just a token character with no reason to be there, repeating his same tired shtick. Mind you, the rest of the show seems uninspired now too. It used to be very smart and inspired, but now it's lazy. Even in the last episode Larry mentioned someone's pronouns assuming they were "they". It was just a throwaway line, just to show Larry addressing this issue, but old Curb would have made this into a storyline with confusion caused by peoples chosen pronouns. Just my 2 cents. Forget about me. What do I know?

Fantastic. Vintage Curb.

Thought Ep4, but wondered why Leon and other black people couldn't eat watermelon? Is that a reference back to a previous episode or something?

Edit: It's ok, I looked it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon_stereotype

Just watched ep 4 and all I could think of with the watermelon bit was the lad here that keeps tying himself up in knots about Leon. In fact it's a bit Larry Davidesque you could say.

I think you're all a bit obsessed with me on this thread. While it's good to know that I impact so many peoples' minds, it is a little weird too. I only expressed an opinion and as the great Norm MacDonald said "opinions are like assholes. Neil Patrick Harris wants to cram...". Better leave that one there :)

No, but I must get around to watching it: it's supposed to be one of the greatest sitcoms of all time. Thanks for the recommendation.

That Nancy palosi banter with the klans man was hilarious, also classic susie when asked did she know any farmers 😂😂

Just caught up with (first 5) episodes on Now TV so far. I'll finish the season, but think it may have run its course for me. Things seem a bit forced and maybe the whole schtick is getting a bit over-familiar. I thought the same at the start of the last season but then felt things picked up, if I recall; this time not so much. Having said that, I'll probably tune in again if there's another season 🤪 [Posting this before looking at others' comments so far.]

"That motherfucker is F.A.T positive" had me in stitches.

"we have an obligation imbalance"

loved that

nice episode, enjoyed watching him chatting up Irma but felt it all ended abruptly

What was the story with Larry trying to date Irma? I don't understand what the purpose of that plot point was

My guess - To change the pool fence ordinance so he can drop Maria from young Larry