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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Freight bandit


    There's no doubt the EU are pushing this, though the Irish government could have opted out, but we know they like to be the good boys in the class for Brussels

    "Europe needs migrants to tackle its demographic decline,"

    • "Without migration the EU population would have shrunk by half a million in 2019, given that 4.2 million children were born and 4.7 million people died."


    Also LOL at the photo of the migrant boat,can anyone spot even one woman or child? It's like weres Wally...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,132 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The good burghers of Sandymount couls stop this tomorrow.



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What does it matter the sex of people in the boat? What does that have to.do with anything?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Freight bandit


    Because they ain't no refugees...illegal migrants,chancers

    Also it's never a good idea letting thousands of young males with poor education, low skills and from vastly different cultures into your country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Freight bandit


    If they were running from war there would be a mix in that boat, nearly every single photo you see is like 95% young males, unless the western media are trying to stir up sympathy and post the odd bonus women and children amongst them...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    McEntee had the cheek in her statement to say that because Irish people were illegal immigrants in the past, we have to open our doors to chancers. Muppet. Too woke to see the consequences of wide open borders.



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Firstly, not all refugees are fleeing from war. There are many reasons people are refugees.

    Secondly, the usual way for refugees is that the men undertake the hard dangerous trek to get out, then they get help by international organisations to get their families out.

    Do you think that putting small children in danger is a good idea??



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Freight bandit


    And you really believe that? When Merkle opened her borders without consulting other leaders (and then expected everyone to share in her mistake,pity she wasn't the same on debt sharing in 2008!) She set in motion a tidal wave of every chancer who wanted to live in Europe...we're still living with the consequences of that decision and will be for many years to come...

    It's human trafficking on an enormous scale

    https://youtu.be/TbIc1LZqIAw



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We have our immigration policies in this country, doesn't matter what any other EU leader did in their own country



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nothing to do with our immigration policies in this country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Freight bandit


    "Ireland has repeatedly urged the need for greater solidarity and burden-sharing among Member States in dealing with the issue of migration. We need to find more sustainable solutions involving consensus among Member States, based on a balance of solidarity and responsibility."

    It certainly does when Merkle decided her decision was now a European problem.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Using the search engine that's tracking you of your choice go and look at pics of actual refugee crises in history, even recent ones and you'll tend to find the demographics overwhelmingly represented are women, children and old people. Women and children first as it were.

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    Not single so called fighting aged males. The women and kids are always in the vanguard and the men are trying to get the "small children in danger" out of same. I know this can come as a shock to the gender is a construct types, but that's what men did and still do when actual danger is facing their women and children and elderly. And no it's not the "usual way for refugees is that the men undertake the hard dangerous trek to get out, then they get help by international organisations to get their families out". Not even close when it comes to mass migrations escaping actual hardship. That's a much more recent thing and is an almost entirely economic migration trend. We saw this in America in the 19th century, and even then women and kids were overrepresented.

    Put it another way: if you were designing a campaign, online or off, to garner sympathy for refugees, which would be a better "poster person" looking for sympathy and action to reunite their family? A woman and her child, or a single young man? If you picked single young man, you're either gobsmackingly naive, or lying to yourself to keep the narrative edifice you've built on secondhand plans intact in the face of the bloody obvious.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    McEntee is being far too conservative here, she should allow every blessed undocumented saintly immigrant a free 2 story house in South Dublin, a million euro stipend and the right to spit on every young Irish tax-paying professional who can only dream of owning such a house before the age of 50.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    “They’re taking our women, jobs, houses… STREETLIGHTS”…

    Bastards, using our streetlights and they’re not even paying for them 😡

    You keep using terms like “public services” and “socialised healthcare”, and I’m not sure you understand what the terms mean. They are PUBLIC services, their use is not contingent upon anyones habitual residency status, required to avail of the kind of welfare benefits you’re referring to. Without documentation and supporting evidence, they’re not going to qualify for anything -





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Put it another way: if you were designing a campaign, online or off, to garner sympathy for refugees, which would be a better "poster person" looking for sympathy and action to reunite their family? A woman and her child, or a single young man? If you picked single young man, you're either gobsmackingly naive, or lying to yourself to keep the narrative edifice you've built on secondhand plans intact in the face of the bloody obvious.


    I’d say it depends on what exactly is being highlighted. It’s fair to say if you’re talking about a campaign to reunite families and all the rest of it - nothing tugs at the heart strings like a doe-eyed child looking straight into the camera.

    However, if you’re looking to challenge the prevalent narrative of “fighting-age male economic immigrants” entering European countries and being accused of exacerbating and adding to existing social issues, you’d probably have your work cut out as the audiences just won’t be the same. People who are convinced that fighting age illegal economic male immigrants, or “pro-mass immigrantion” sorts are responsible for an increase in social ills, aren’t going to want to hear about the fighting-age illegal economic male immigrants hiding out in parks in Germany for example. This sort of thing, I first heard of it years ago, and I’ve linked to articles before, but here’s a more recent one from 2020 -



    Do I imagine people will really care? Nope. You’re right that it would be naive of me to expect something like that would counter anecdotes of illegal immigrants immoral behaviour like using public toilets and streetlights and they’re not even paying taxes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    We dont have dicks and balls in Europe dont you know. Here come the scientists and engineer's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Minister McEntee knows that this move will guarantee her positive media coverage for years, it's a career move



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    This is the problem. This bribery within our own politics from Brussels is got to stop. Career bribes.



  • Posts: 214 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All these people banned....having an opinion is not racist..how many came here of their own free will or were the government's involved in their dispersement in one way or another..how many made it to the UK and filtered over to Ireland because the social welfare system is better here...I'd like to say that most people from other countries never wanted to come here in the first place...the food is different,the weather is different,the people are different...they just had no choice.the would much prefer to stay in the place they were born if it were not for persecution and killings ect...if the west stopped getting involved in matters that don't concern them in the east...maby there would be some harmony in the world.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Yep keep running from problems. If the irish done that we would still be under the brits rule.

    The funny thing the same people would scream persecution and racism at the top of there lungs here but wont stand up for themselves in their homeland.



  • Posts: 214 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Re one eyed jack.....use duck duck go.......there's no tracking in that search engine.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Tragic and emotive stuff alright but a couple of dozen migrants working as sex workers in a German park are hardly representative of the nearly one and half million migrants into the EU since 2011 are they? There's enough poor native Germans at it too. Germany are a good example of how not to do things and they have previous in this too. They brought in a load of Turkish men and women to drive their economic miracle and then left them in the wind until quite recently. Merkel opened Germany's arms to migrants, a decision she subsequently regretted and has described German multiculturalism as an utter failure.(that's a BBC link from 2010 lest some are afraid of clicking into an alt right site). The same link noted 30% of Germans thought their country is "overrun" and thought that most are there for the benefits and that was ten years ago, before the big influx really kicked off. A more recent survey from 2016(PDF) showed Europeans fearing more terrorism on the back of migration and one from 2017 had a majority of those surveyed said yes to stopping all futher migration from Muslim countries in particular. The more existing migrant populations the more the resistance to any more. And none of those have had a chance to vote on it either way. Just like the Irish electorate regarding our massive change in Irish demographics over the last 25 years. Well, there was that one vote we got to cast and it sent a pretty clear message.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    Our borders are like a sieve. As long as you can make it to Northern Ireland,you can effortlessly cross into the South and disappear. Irish people have been doing it for decades. Don't forget the Asian guy who was importing people via Dublin Airport. He wasn't alone and he won't be the last. Our ports and harbours are virtually all unmonitored outside of the big ones. There isn't a port in the world that is truly airtight to unwanted visitors. Let me give you an anecdote from an event that I personally encountered in Dublin Airport. A Hong Kong Chinese woman turned up at the Garda checkpoint in T2 and said she wanted political asylum, in very broken English. It was soon established that she had come from London,having flown there direct from Hong Kong.. I was dealing with the aircraft she had arrived in on and a Supervisor arrived and asked that the toilet be serviced. It was going to be, anyway, but he said that she had admitted tearing up her passport and flushing it. So,the service guy turned up and drained the toilet tank. In the filter was a torn up HK passport.It was soon reassembled, shown to her and she came clean and then she suddenly regained fluent command of English and was mortified to find that she could have arrived perfectly legally to Ireland with no visa. Back to London she went. This kind of stuff goes on the whole time and the Customs and Gardai catch a lot of it. The bottom line is that people think we are a soft touch and McEntee just made it easier.



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have no idea what this is supposed to prove?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    The whole point of direct provision is to make it not a nice place to stay thus discouraging chances from the 3rd world travelling through a dozen safe countires to get here.



  • Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Examples include Germans sacrificing their lives for time, time for the women and children to get away from the advancing red army in Prussia and Courland, Time to get to Western lines. Fighting even after the official surrender, fighting with no hope of survival while allowing as many women and children to cross rivers etc. in modern times there is talk of fighting approaching your village, the next morning, the women and children and elderly wake up to find every young man has hightailed it out of there leaving them to face the likes of Isis or Government forces alone

    edit not supporting Nazis etc. just using as example. similar stories of Red Army soldiers doing the same during German invasion etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    It disproves the notion that are borders are tightly controlled.



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