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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Been obvious now for the last week the brits in particular know more about this variant than they are letting on. January may well be a complete s h it show of infections across Europe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭tommybrees


    Just watched an interesting video about the amish community in America on YouTube if anybody is interested.

    When covid hit they didn't hide away they carried on as normal and guess what. There all fine, not a bother.

    They had herd immunity within week's.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,961 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I was struck at the time when Boris did a press conference at the weekend and then a second one a few days later, there hadn't been a covid briefing in the UK for weeks before.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,405 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Complete lockdown required. No mixed messages.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,255 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    And close the nightclubs.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Wouldn't go complete as in the 5klms stuff or normal shops closing but nightclubs, pubs, indoor gigs, restaurants etc... all need to be put on the backburner for now. We have a ridiculously high level of infection going around at present and a new potentially more dangerous variant coming into the Xmas socialising season in the mix. It may well turn out to be a less dangerous variant but nobody knows right now except the internet attention seekers.

    I'm fearful that the lack of leadership at the top of our government will cost us dearly come January.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,961 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Spent a month living in an amish community in Pennsylvania in 2007, quite an extraordinary community of people, living almost in a different universe from the chaos that America can be. No phones, no Internet ( heaven), certainly no social media or cars. Some menonite communities do have Cars, electricity etc

    Amazing people

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭McGarnigle2020


    You are aware that all the oldies have had their booster of the vaccine that turned out to be more of a pound shop band aid, and that Covid is now just a minor winter flu again?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    This is actually unf**kingbelievable. They leaked everything to the media before they told "the government". Micheal Martin was being updated by journalists on what will happen to country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭McGarnigle2020


    As somebody who got my two vaccines (even though, having recovered from Covid I probably didn't need them) to


    a- be part of the national 90% they promised us would ensure we got our old lives back

    b- to protect my parents and the generation older than them

    c- to enable me to travel without a PCR test

    Seeing as 90% was turned into needing 100%, Covid pass travel has been abolished unless accompanied by a PCR test, and Cillian De Gascun said that vaxxed people can transfer the virus as easily as unvaxxed (meaning in reality only my parents and the other oldies need be vaxxed in my presence, my status matters nothing)

    With all that considered, exactly why the phuck should I line up for a booster when they no doubt come looking for me in February or thereabouts?

    I am in my 30's, of healthy weight, I walk miles upon miles daily along with a brisk 10 minute cycle, I have not had a serious bout of flu in 13 years, I do not suffer from diabetes or any breathing issues, and my bout of Covid consisted of one night of sweats and mild headache, followed by just over a week of nothing more serious than the temporary loss of smell and suffering serious fatigue.

    For what reason do I require a vaccine, one which they assure us is safe even though assurances they give us on other things (longevity, primarily) change every other week.

    I'm all ears.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump



    But you could still end up in ICU, that is the type of answer you're going to get.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,748 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_



    Talk about hysteria and panic-mongering!

    Let's (once again!) try and face facts here:

    • The virus is not significantly dangerous to the vast majority of people in this country thanks to our lower age profile for one. We knew this last year when it became clear that those at potential significant risk are the elderly or infirm, and those with underlying medical issues and immunocompromised.
    • The overwhelming majority of people have been double, or even triple vaccinated (in an increasing number of cases) at this point
    • CASES mean nothing. The OUTCOME of those cases is what matters and the outcome in the overwhelming majority of instances is positive with little to no lasting effects being experienced. Of course there will be some who unfortunately do have after-effects, just as there are those who don't even realise they have/had it without a test. The way "cases" are defined is suspect anyway, as are the hospital metrics - ie: are they in hospital BECAUSE of Covid, or do they happen to have it as well? Did they contract it in hospital is another interesting one!
    • Kids (who the blame has now shifted to) are at even LESS risk than the above (again, outliers will exist)
    • We cannot prevent death. People are still dying from a myriad of other reasons every week (arguably/potentially in greater numbers because of the diversion of resources to protecting a small minority from potential illness in Covid). It's sad and it's unfortunate, but there is no road to immortality here.
    • The ONLY thing we are protecting at this point is an inadequate, hugely wasteful and mismanaged health service and those overseeing it. Despite almost unlimited funds being thrown at this in the last year (and at least 20 BILLION annually before that), the same cries of teetering on the brink of collapse are doing the rounds AGAIN this year - as they do EVERY year for the past several decades!

    The reason this continues is...

    • a weak Taoiseach who won't be running again (I'd imagine) and who had no plan or agenda besides his own of not being the only FF leader not to have the job,
    • a control freak and bully as CMO (you only have to watch the responses to questions in press interviews he shouldn't be giving in the first place to witness that, and he probably shouldn't be in the position anyway given his historical performance),
    • a population that is generally docile and servile anyway, and which actively attacks anyone who DOESN'T just go along and keep the head down. Small wonder then we've repeatedly handed over control of the place to others - after the English were expelled, we gave it to the Catholic Church, then to the EU, and now to NPHET


    There is no reason to be masking kids in school

    There is no reason for renewed restrictions for the entire population. If we want to target an approach, focus on those who need it (as defined above)

    There is no value in trying to show how compliant and on-message you are and attacking those who don't feel as nervous/concerned as you do. By all means be careful - limit your interactions, work from home, don't socialise, shop online etc, but you can't force a majority who are at little to no risk to feel the same as you do

    There is no reason or justification to be further curtailing people's rights and basic freedoms, their ability to work and socialise, and everything else that has been restricted or removed in the last 18 months. The threat simply isn't there to warrant the damage being done to our society and economy, and yes these things matter hugely - a country isn't a lab or petri dish, no matter what Tony and co might like to think!


    It's time we grew up as a country generally, but it's certainly time we started living with this and putting our (NOT unlimited or cost-free) efforts and resources into supporting those who ACTUALLY need it, rather than trying to harass and belittle those who will get along just fine regardless.

    Post edited by _Kaiser_ on


  • Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭Pepsirebel


    If MM had any balls at all....he doesn't....he would tell nphet thanks but we won't be doing what you recommend over leaking to the press before govt were informed. It's his chance to turn the "management" of this back in his favour, well at least I'd hope he'd see this as an opportunity



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,961 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Dail just voted to allow for Mandatory Hotel Quarantine if needed

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Good news. We need to get a few steps ahead of this thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,042 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    As long as any lockdowns starts on Monday I have a wedding on Saturday

    ******



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,139 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,961 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm baffled by the proof of PCR test 72 hours or Antigen Test 48 hours before arrival into Ireland. So I adhere to either, then go off on the piss, meet hundreds of people, attend a large conference or go to a concert, Match etc after doing either of the Tests , then head home, How the F**K does any health expert figure this makes any sense 🤔 there's absolutely no logic , what are they hoping this will achieve exactly 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,595 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Well that is one thing the government and NPHET haven't been in this pandemic,a few steps ahead of this thing



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,139 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    It's designed to put people off traveling due to the hassle and fear of getting stuck somewhere.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I'm curious, how do they intend to police limits within households?



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,748 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_



    It doesn't make sense, that's the problem. You don't even need to go abroad to see that:

    Go to a pub or restaurant. You must act like a plague carrier in the corridors or if going to the toilet, but you can happily sit for as long as you like among all the other unmasked people at your tables - I won't even get into the €9 meals they pushed before!

    It's a nonsense exercise designed only to appease the nervous and fearful.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,961 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,748 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_



    Presumably the same as last time - neighbours curtain-twitching and ringing the Gardai because John and Mary have a few people over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Well it will create more friction to travel and reduce numbers


    it also act as a filter and stop ppl Covid positive from returning


    it is window dressing though


    we aren’t stopping omicron , all we can do is get our boosters and hope for best



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,961 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1




  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭B2021M


    Even if he feels he needs to adopt some or all of the recommendations it is definitely an opportunity to show who is boss for a change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Anybody with any sort of pride would have battered Holohan for what he did last October with his triumphant return. He did absolutely nothing. Let him roll on and then when they were supposed to disband them, they did nothing.

    Now the alleged leader of the country is refreshing his Twitter feed to see what Tony will be implementing for the country he is supposed to be leading.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    Very good post and agree with the vast majority of it.

    I try not to get too involved with the general debate (mainly because there isn't one), but get sucked in occasionally and find it far too frustrating to engage with consistently.



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