United Ireland Poll - please vote

I was giving examples of high level achievable points that could be put into a framework document .... I wasn't, you know, actually writing the list. Big picture.

Nobody is looking for detailed answers to every single situation, but when the proponents of a united Ireland don't have the first clue as to what will happen anywhere, why would anyone vote for that pig in a poke?

Nonsense. Nothing in the court judgement precludes a judicial review. I have been clear from the start on that.

The court case was an attempt by the plaintiff to set constraints on the SoS in advance of any decision.

I can tell you that Sinn Fein will be first in the door of the Court if an SoS refuses a border poll having been requested by a majority of the Assembly to hold one.

A border poll hasn't a chance of passing in Northern Ireland. If anything, support for it is declining up there.

It's ok blanch, we know that you are against a UI. There is no magic formula of details in a UI framework that you would vote for. We get it.

You can go now.

Nope, that isn't what I am saying, or have been saying since the day of the court outcome.

So are you expecting people to vote for a UI without any idea of how much it will cost, how it will be governed, what the handover will look like, what are the UK on the hook for vs what Ireland/EU are on the hook for etc etc. Voting it through blindly and work the rest out later?

I think it would be madness to go down that road - there would obviously be a time-limited transition period where the finer details are worked out, but any referendum would need some set of guiding principles at least.

IMO - the "Yes" side (which would include all large parties in Ireland) would have to find some common ground and present a vision for what a UI would look like. If nobody can put down a vision for what a UI Ireland would look like in practice then what exactly are we voting on?

May I be the first to welcome Barbados to the family of Republics. May many more former colonies follow.

If it was 80+ there would be a small minority of belligerents and partitionists who would never be happy with it.

Unless you can come up with a reason for denying the wishes of a majority that is better than 'it might be difficult' then that super majority argument is doomed.

You cannot pretend to be a democratic while denying a majority their wish, ESPECIALLY after enshrining it in an internationally binding agreement and further, that minority respecting the 'wishes of a majority' for the last 25 years.

There will always be hardliners...Jamie Bryson is still in his 30's.

There isn't an excuse to wait any longer. We constitutionally aspire to it and we should be planning for it.

That isn't what I said, that isn't what the court said. You know that.

Blanch you plainly said that in calling for a Border poll, SF are in breach of the conditions regarding such.

These are your words: "You and SF are calling for a border poll now in breach of those conditions - FACT"

But the fact is, the only "condition" about a border poll is that the British SoS decides if one should be held. There is absolutely nothing wrong nor any breach of anything, for SF or anybody else calling for a border poll.

The SoS could think like me...that a border poll will be won when an Irish GOvernment presents a WHite Paper on how it would work.

The FACT here blanch is you have once again been caught out, putting a personal opinion about your boggeymen and women across as some kind of fact.

There is NOTHING resembling a breach of the GFA in calling for a border poll. It just scares the bejayus out of insecure partitionists and belligerent Unionists.

Any independent thoughts on the topic?

That post was actually copied and pasted from the Sinn Féin website, what do you think is trolling about it?