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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,133 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Yeah I have 2 under 12. If a a kid goes into school without uniform the first time nothing will happen. If they go into school every day without the right uniform then a call would made to the parents to see what the story was. If the kid continued to refuse to wear a uniform they would be sent home eventually as otherwise you might as well scrap uniforms altogether. Kids can and are suspended etc for breaking rules continuously.

    I suspect with masks there'll be a bedding in period but if there continues non-compliance and no good reason for it I could see kids being sent home - otherwise the message is that it's a free for all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,740 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I can answer your first question by referring you to the rest of your post - particularly your second sentence! Lucky indeed!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Ok so Betty, what’s your plan for this then? Because there will always be a virus and there will always be vulnerable people. So what do we do? Lockdown forever and ever is not on the table btw.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    Finally some sense. I don't care what the kids in my class wear. They are there to be educated not worry about how they are dressed. We all have days where we are not organised and don't have the correct clothing.


    I know of an outbreak linked to kids but stemmed from a stag party. But it's kids who are being demonised and told they can't do things. While the adults carry on as normal. How is that fair??



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭almostover


    Most significant and sustained curbs on social and commercial freedom in the history of the State?

    Ever heard of the 'Emergency'? We had food rationing during and after World War 2 along with another host of measures.

    Homosexuality was criminalised until 1993 and divorce not allowed until 1996.

    Ireland isn't some autocratic backwater. Not anymore anyway.

    I get that you're frustrated with the restriction but writing hyperbole like that won't help. The pandemic response in Ireland is broadly similar across the Western world. Germany, Austria, Greece etc have brought in new restrictions. Nobody has the right answer here. The issue is the pandemic. Our lot have done well so far but I agree with you that indecision has now crept in and they're making a pigs ear of it. But it's not quite as restrictive as you're making out.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭almostover


    Speak to your GP, too many of us are allowing our judgement to be clouded with respect to to vaccine based on what we're reading online. Your GP will provide a balanced narrative on the pros and cons of child vaccination.



  • Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57



    The risk of myocarditis is small but not 0. The risk of my child dying from covid is almost 0.

    I'd be willing to bet more kids get myocarditis than die from covid in Ireland.


    I don't want to take a chance. Let everyone else's kids go first if their parents are happy to. I won't be top of the queue as I said.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,262 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    They will get bullied to hell and back by the other kids, who will be following their parents lead in how to treat those others in society who don't toe the party line.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,262 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    You are talking about "living with covid".

    This country was not adult enough to have that conversation in April 20, it still isn't adult enough to have it today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭almostover


    Where are you getting your figures from with respect to risk from myocarditis? Or your figures on child fatalities due to COVID? I'm not pressuring you to do anything. Just suggesting that talking to a medical professional about these risk may help in your decision making process.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30


    I know of many children who do not wear the correct uniform in my school.

    Red or blue polo instead of white, navy hoody instead of navy jumper with school crest, in fact i see the crest on about 20 childrens uniform only. Ive never put my boys in the uniform and they wear the tracksuit every day, although only permitted on Wednesday for PE. Ive been bringing children to this school the past 5 years and ive another 5 years before im finished there. Never once has any child been sent home for incorrect uniform. Nobody has been suspended for bad behaviour, put into another class, not allowed golden time etc but no suspensions. I can guarantee you the masks will not be enforced in my childrens school, half the parents dont wear masks and nothing is said to them either, as a side note, there has been 0 cases in any of my childrens classes (not school just class!) since this started. I only had to homeschool when the schools were closed by gov



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    It looks like we are back to 'The next 2 weeks are crucial'




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭323


    Did you really believe restriction were going to be lifted in October? Seemed pretty obvious it was off the cards when the media and NPHET began ramping up the fear machine a month before.

    This new scarient from southern africa will no doubt justify keeping restrictions and copying some cool restrictions already in place elsewhere, relegate the jabbed to un-vaccinated, make the pass permanent and requiring jab every 6 months etc.

    Restrictions are here to stay, unless decisions begin to be made based on evidence and facts.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,689 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    I guess the issue here is that I don’t recall ever talking about these measures being autocratic, nor do I recall claiming that there have never been laws and prohibitions that had long and significant effects on certain strands or demographics of Irish society. You seem to be responding to what you think I am saying, rather than what I actually said.

    I call these the most significant restrictions of liberties in the history of the State because they have reached deeply into the simplest and most fundamental aspects of everyday freedoms across our society entirely — right down to the most simple everyday acts of socialising. Is it hyperbole to say that for long periods of time over the past two years, Irish citizens have been unable to move without lawful excuse beyond distances ranging from 2km, 5km, county lines or beyond our borders? Is it hyperbole to say that at stages of these restrictions, the effect of laws was such as to make it an offence to socialise with certain people in certain numbers or locations? Is it hyperbole to say that the restrictions were so far-reaching that the very nature of human interaction was rendered almost entirely electronic? That families and friends even a short distance apart were for long periods subject to rules, backed up by the presence of Garda checkpoints, that made it unlawful for them to physically interact? I could go on.

    This is not a debate about the necessity of the restrictions, simply a restatement of what they involved. One is perfectly entitled to believe that such restrictions are / were necessary and that they constitute a greater good or lesser evil — but that’s a different argument. Either way, I don’t think you get to have your cake, eat it, and act as though these laws and restrictions were something else entirely than what they factually were.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    In this tweet Tony is telling us that these new restrictions on kids are in order to coerce them to get vaccinated once approved (very soon).

    That's even though the current vaccines don't stop spread and kids don't need them to reduce severity of disease because they don't get severe disease.

    People really have to start seeing what is going on.





  • Registered Users Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Deub


    I think further restrictions are coming with a minilockdown for Christmas. The mandatory test for people travelling will have 0 impact on covid numbers but it is to prepare the population for new restrictions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭bloopy


    The replies to that tweet are not quite as supportive as they used to be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,180 ✭✭✭prunudo


    That has been said many times in the last 21 months and I'm still waiting. Every time I hear another hair brained restriction, I think, right this is the one that will tip us back to normality and for people to see nphet for what they are but nope the nodding dogs lap it up.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Better let 0.6% of the population die than distribute a vaccine that will reduce transmission by 70% and serious impacts by over 90% eh



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,508 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I don't do Irish media or listen to NPHET so I'm pretty oblivious to the 'fear machine'. Which restrictions do you think are here to stay?

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,180 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Wow, thats seriously one sided but good to finally see people being vocal against restrictions. The cmo will finally get to see what twitter is really like rather than all the fanboy replies he was getting last year.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why the lies?

    Myocarditis is usually self resolving and for about the 10,000th f*cking time occurs more frequently with the virus itself. And cases associated with the vaccine have been overwhelmingly mild




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    More kids will get myocarditis from Covid than from the vaccines, and in both instances will overwhelmingly be mild



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Not just the cmo. Judging by the conversations in the office today, this masking of children is not going down well at all.

    The shaming is not going to work for much longer either.

    The Journal and others might like to pretend that it is just right wing trolls who are against what is happening, but the government has lost, and is losing, a lot of the public.

    It has become a farce and people are starting to notice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57



    When the site updated, so too did the ignore settings. That explains why I'm seeing your posts again.


    I'm not vaccinating a small child for a disease that won't harm them and gambling on side effects when there's no need.


    No need to respond again with goady comments about lies, I'm putting my old settings back on. Byeeeeeee.



  • Registered Users Posts: 37,997 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    You couldn't make the **** up

    NPHET and St Tony truly going after kids

    Seriously this is going too far and they have lost their heads



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Echo…echo…echo….echo…

    people can choose to believe bullsh*t they read on their Facebook feed or Telegram without doing even the briefest check as to whether it stacks up. Choosing ignorance is no different to deliberately lying. And when challenged on their bullsh*t retreat to going after the source of the challenge rather than seek to inform themselves. Always with the belief that those gullible gobsh*tes queueing up to thank the lies somehow make it true



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭storker


    That depends on different times during the past 18+ months, but for example...

    • Expressing approval at restaurants/bars not checking vaccination certs.
    • Not social distancing and/or expressing approval of other people not distancing
    • Not wearing masks when required and expressing approval of same in others
    • Attending illegal pub lock-ins
    • Attending multi-household get-togethers when mixing more than the recommended number.
    • Travelling beyond the allowed limit

    Etc



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,667 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    A year ago, a cmo twitter post that’s 3 hours old would have hundreds of supportive comments and thousands of likes! Now theres less than 30 likes and not a single supportive comment!



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