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Why is Dublin such a shιtty city?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Trust Wibbs to go all encyclopedic on it. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Born in Dublin,lived there til I was 9,moved to west of Ireland,left Ireland early 20s,lived in lots of places around the world,returned mid 30s.Do you need any more details? Does it make my argument any less true?

    Would you believe I personally haven't done any extensive research but more lived experience so its only an opinion,a fairly prevalent one I imagine.

    Sorry,didn't mean to rile you up so much.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Serious question, how safe do people reckon the place is (with the usual cop on in cities of course)? Seems like the topics of random attacks and feral youths are ever present with regards to Dublin.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    All a minority of wealthy upper middle class areas

    Problems in town are all down to the tolerance of the culture of delinquency which is so prevalent in this country, not enough proper policing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    ...and yet people still flock to Dublin. Property prices are as high as ever, its clearly the most desirable region of Ireland to live in despite your thoughts on a prevalent hatred for the place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭lenan


    Precovid had a weekend in Belfast, I felt far safer at night than I have done during the day in Dublin. Remarked to some locals about it the said there is a zero tolerance of antisocial behaviour certainly seems to work!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Jeez,a lot of thin skinned dubs about.As I mentioned earlier I understand if you're from there you won't like criticism or people pointing out it's a dump,that's OK,it's natural.

    No hatred for the place from me,I've been in a lot of sh1teholes,I don't hate them it's just facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭manonboard


    Recently returned to Ireland for a couple of months. Ive been really disappointed in some elements in Dublin city.

    The 3 big gripes i have that really didn't bother me until i experienced better are:

    1: Dog shite everywhere. Its all over residential streets. Almost nobody picks it up. The smell is very obvious some days. Im really surprised. I didnt notice it before because it was just always there. The lack of bins for people to put it in is terrible. Of course people wont pick it up if the facilities are not on hand to dispose of it. Though its largely a cultural apathy towards it that allows it. The difficulty it creates for blind people must be extreme. They cant see the stuff.. they only know they step in it when they get home and its dragged on the floor or on their hands, and it would be so difficult to clean up for them. Its really sad.

    2: The terrible transportation links to airport. Its unbelievable how much we have normalized not having a decent rail connection to the airport. Its terrible that there is such poor rail throughout the city. We should have built an underground metro 15 years ago. Its the capital city! Even cork should have one.

    3: The luas was sometimes bad before, but the anti social behavior on it has increased dramatically. Its from a certain cohort that we cant condemn their culture. Ive seen 2 racist attacks in the last 2 months on it near tallaght. This is really sad. I grew up in dublin city, and its the first time ive ever stopped using a infrastructure link due to anti social behavior. I think Tallaght luas is considered a no go for me after 8pm now.


    Im leaving again in a couple of days for a new city (not related to my experiences in dublin, already planned). Im kinda sad that some of these problems with the city are so normalized. The people of Dublin deserve better, but the apathy and lack of accountability towards problems just persists them. There is far too much leniency given to perpetrators of poor behavior than to the victims who have to endure it. Respecting fellow citizens is something that should always be a priority. I think alot of it stems from a messed up legal/rehabilitation system, that very little can ever be enforced through force.. so everyone deep down knows nothing is going to change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭OEP


    I've lived in Dublin for 13 years and have never once been in an unsafe situation. That's not to say it can't happen, but you'd have to be unlucky - like anywhere really. One year of that was spent living in North Strand which would be known to be rough - especially between there and the city centre which I would have walked frequently. There are scumbags etc. around but I think you just have to get unlucky and be in the wrong place at the wrong time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭circadian


    I don't think you can compare Chisinau and Dublin in fairness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    A Jaysus. Is it that time of year again?

    Dublin is no better or worse than most other cities. The issue with Dublin as I see it is that the city centre is very cramped. You can barely walk on the footpath around College Green it gets so busy. That is largely due to Dubin's Viking origins. Compared to a lot of other cities, Dublin is old. Also it didnt suffer any extensive war damage so there has never been the need to rebuild from stratch like say, most German cities.

    I live in England now. If you think Dublin is bad then visit some of the lesser known cities over here. Then you will discover the true meaning of the words dire/grim/dump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I lived in Dublin for 8 years and I have to say, I hated the place. I worked with a lot of country people (non-Dubs) and everyone of them moved back down the country eventually. I liked Dublin people, no nasty side to them. Not as friendly as Culchies though. It's just that the place had no soul. Hard to describe. A walk tru inner city Dublin would hardly inspire you. Most then in the well-off areas, look down their noses at the poorer areas.

    It drove me nuts that nobody gave a damn about all these young drug addicts. They'd just literally walk over them in O'Connell street. I'm no socialist, far from it but a little help would go a long way there.

    After I left Dublin by the way, I got a call from an ex-work colleague to say that A French guy I worked with was badly beaten up on Gratfon Street. He had some friends over from France for an international rugby match and was talking in French with them at the time. He was well settled in Ireland with an Irish wife at the time. Fierce nice guy.

    Post edited by patsy_mccabe on

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    I don't mind you calling it a dump at all, it's the thinking of Cork and Galway being better that's laughable. I do like those places though.

    You haven't put forward any facts mate, unlike the things I mentioned, such as net migration and property prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    I'm from Cork and love the place but there is no way I would put it above Dublin on any metric.

    Dublin is a European city. IMO Cork is a provincial 'city'. With the greatest respect to Galway, but it is nothing more than a decent provincial town.



  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭sergioaguero


    agree with all of that 100%, the city center is a joke, junkies and dealers everywhere and not a cop in sight most of the time.. try walking down the boardwalk in the evening time and you would probably get yourself a punch in the face



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal


    Been a few months since a good Dublin bashing thread, did we not have a big one during the summer...


    Always love sequels... 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    I'm a Dub but I love Cork, my wife is from near Cork city and it's a great spot. It has issues same as Dublin but you would have to be thin skinned to write off a city because there's some anti social stuff that goes on sometimes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭Level 42


    Rip off central with a high number of junkies walking around like zombies



  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭sergioaguero


    sometimes? its a daily thing up there, just go to the jervis luas stop and its a constant thing, i always say surely the cops could have a presence just at this stop alone?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 gtd58


    Read through any thread where there is a genuine and appropriate criticism of anything Irish and you will see the same phenomenon; a reflexive and defensive shilling attacking the op...

    Our Catholic primary school system has removed the ability to think critically and replaced it with this reflex in my opinion...

    Compared to any other developed country of similar wealth we are inexplicably lacking in many quite basic areas, everything pertaining to driving as one obvious example.

    I saw a time lapse map of Europe showing political orientation from left to right over the last 80 years; Ireland remained a Conservative blue throughout, the only European country to do so. Why is this the case?


    And before anyone reflexively tells me to head off to one of these better places; I have been here for 2000 years and I hope my descendants will be here at least another 2000.. I see no reason MY country should be so lacking when what is required most to affect improvement is a change in attitude - starting crucially with the attitudes and ideas we instill in the earliest school years.



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  • You’ve been here 2000 years? And you just watched it happen?


    shame on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Whole different argument but I don't think ireland could be called a conservative country in the the last 10-15 years.

    To try to tie it back into the thread and focus on one aspect,a lot of the feral scum in Dublin would be dealt with differently in a conservative country.

    Ps,impressive you've been there for 2000 years,I'd deffo have moved by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Dublin can be Heaven, with coffee at 11, and a stroll round Stephan's Green.

    Cmon all together now



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It was the first city I'd lived in when I was there so I didn't really know what to make of it. Having lived in other places, I think it's a bit scummy and run down. I did have some encounters with youths which were quite unpleasant but they didn't attack me at least. The infrastructure of the place is dismal but it's not entirely the city's fault IMO, mainly due to reasons already presented by Wibbs. The city definitely has its own unique character but I can't see myself going back unless it's to visit a friend I have there. I lived near Hanlon's Corner at the end of the Navan Road if that explains anything.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The difference is that Dublin is Ireland's capital. It's well known why immigrants to the UK aren't heading to Boston, Sunderland or Stoke-on-Trent.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭katherineconlan


    I lived in the States when I was a kid (Georgia, California) and have travelled to a few European cities. I agree with the OP in the sense that Dublin as a first world capital is **** compared to other European cities. But compared to American cities, I'd take Dublin anyday.

    Places like New York and Los Angeles are very beautiful in the CBD, but when you go to the bad areas, they are absolutely horrendous. The level of poverty in poor parts of L.A. makes one think that they're in a third world nation. I've never seen anything comparable in Dublin. Even in the bad parts of North Dublin.

    Dublin could definitely do better but it's good to have perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    I agree in that sense- the north side O'Connell Street/Parnell Square etc is pretty nasty. If you are a tourist heading back to the airport you are also subject to Dorset Street which is pretty grim.

    I think another differnece with Dublin and other capitals is that the centre is too close to some very **** areas hence the druggies etc are readily in view. In a lot of other capitals I can think of the undiserables are further out of the centre.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Doesn't negate what I said. To state Dublin in its entirety is a sh1thole is stupid.

    And those are just some areas - then there are all the ones that aren't posh but are in the middle and don't have problems.

    No denying the policing problem in the city centre though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    I hear what you are saying and it may seem like a poor excuse but I spend quite a lot of time in Germany and in German cities (ok maybe an extreme example) and pretty much all of them had the centres levelled (Berlin, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Dresden etc etc). All rebuilt from stratch- now admitedly the blank canvas was perhaps there already.

    Ok fine...it's all the fault of the "planners".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Maybe we should have invited Hitler to do some 'reconstruction'?

    I get what the OPis saying about the inner city decay but it does have some hidden good points. You might need a 'tame Dub' to show you about. Have you tried Cork?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭OEP


    Probably does explain it somewhat. The north inner city is not nice, and as other's have mentioned, one of the big problems with Dublin is that a lot of the **** areas are close to the center - unlike in other cities. If you lived in Rathmines, Ranelagh, Clonskeagh, Dundrum... you'd have had a different experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭OEP


    There have been 28 teenagers killed in London so far this year - and that's a capital city



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I really think it's mad how people detest the addicts in town so much. Products of all kinds of failures within the state and families or lack of families.

    They are mostly harmless and just living an absolutely miserable life and people just hurl abuse at them online all the time.

    I had a heroin addict asking me for money in Killarney last year by the way, addiction isn't exclusive to Dublin, what you see in Dublin is just a reflection of the whole country on a larger scale.

    e.g. terrible public transport, awful traffic, ugly buildings and poor planning - these are nationwide problems, Galway is probably the worst planned place I've ever been, and the traffic is shocking.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Doesn't make the place a dump. I've lived here for a bit longer than I lived in Dublin and I feel much, much safer here. A lot less scumbags around IME.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 gtd58


    Ha ha, yes.. you have (probably unwittingly) helped confirm my point.

    I have found that to catalyse change in Ireland it is better to communicate with concerned organisations outside the country. Communicating with those responsible in the country will lead to you being put on a Christmas card list at best...



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 gtd58





  • Posts: 0 Bailey Witty Doe


    As Joe Duffy would say, Dublin is indeed an unadulterated kip. Like OP I’ve been in many European capitals and none worse than Dublin in terms of scumminess. It really does reflect badly on “social engineering” through the decades that generations of the super-uneducated to dominate the street life of the core of our capital. I’m not sure exactly what lies behind it, but it has surely got to be connected with our educational system which sees substantial numbers through to third level but fails others so extremely badly that they end up being extremely anti-social. All cities have their drug problems, but in Dublin it seems to utterly dominate the surface.

    In a previous life I worked in an area where I saw positive results from adult education. I saw where a lot of people with literacy problems had fallen by the wayside and when these were remedied great strides were made and these same people were able to subsequently support their own children to achieve. That’s why I believe our education system is quite flawed in the places it fails, it does so badly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I've lived in both, London is my favourite place in the world but the part of Camberwell I lived in was dodgy af sometimes. Stabbings and all sorts going on outside regularly, all kinds of loonies on the streets.

    These things are part and parcel with most cities though, sometimes can get a bit hairy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭OEP


    You asked about safety in Dublin though. You also lived in the north inner city, where there is a high concentration of scumbags. That's like using Lewisham or Tottenham as an example of what life is like in London. Wander into certain parts of London and the place is a kip too. (I love London by the way, but you're using a not that nice part of Dublin to characterise the city.

    And I am aware of Dublin's issues, it does have issues with scumbags running around and junkies in the city centre, but I don't think they're all that different to many other cities. I think the junkies in the city centre is the big thing that stands out about Dublin over other cities.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    While every city has its rough patches, I find that Dublin's social problems and scummy behaviour seem to be much more visible, even in the city centre.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    In fairness, I've yet to see a Deliveroo drivers' map of no go areas in London as they have for Dublin. I'm characterising the city based on my time in the city centre as well as my time in the northside of it. I'm not saying that the place has no nice areas or other positive features, just that it seems rougher than most capitals I've been to accounting for differing expectations.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    That's because some of the poorest areas are in the city centre that have intergenerational problems of all kind. All of this exists in London on an even worse scale (child poverty is an issue there, look at the stats for Tower Hamlets), but you don't see any of this when you're walking around Mayfair.

    So basically all of these threads on how awful Dublin is are just about how awful a certain class of Irish people are, and how awful addicts are - things like traffic and public transport and poor planning are an Irish problem, not a Dublin problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Especially in the city centre. Why have such problem people/families living near/in the centre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭OEP


    That's a fair enough comment. They're not very visible in much of the south side of Dublin though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness



    I am from Cork and lived in Cork City for many years. I will say that the centre was improved dramatically in the past 10 years. I also lived in Dublin for a few years. I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick- I like Dublin and said so earlier. Of course it was all the usual problems good, bad and indifferent.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Maybe "Dublin city centre" should be specified, as that's what people seem to be referring to when they call it a kip. I agree to an extent. Although Dublin 2 and 4 aren't kips, but 1 and 3 and 8 can be a bit yikes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 gtd58


    Fully agree with this..

    There are beautiful capital cities where dropping chewing gum will cost you €1500 and others where dealing drugs of any kind can see you get the death penalty. I have contemp for brutal authoritarianism, but every other city I have lived in or visited has much, much better policing and maintenance in their centres. They are safer to walk through and cleaner with more obviously thoughtful design. Particularly beautiful in my opinion are those that weren't leveled in WW2, Gamla Stan in Stockholm for example, or Amsterdam...

    Where there are people there will be social problems, but we can and should do better, not just in Dublin, but in all our cities and towns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭OEP


    Dublin didn't have a trend of throwing acid in people's faces either, or doesn't have a massive knife problem. We could go on about both places I guess



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I think that's a fair point and Dublin reminds me of some of the grimer provincial cities in the Midlands and North of England.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You've moved the goalposts a bit here. I never said Dublin was awful. It should be ok to highlight its issues without being accused of running the place down. I've only ever been honest in sharing my own experience and, from reading this site it seems like the city's issues have not improved. The comparison with Tower Hamlets is a bit ridiculous. There's a difference between an outer area and the city centre.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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