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Berlin Q or Bust: Road to sub 2:45

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    An actual week's, well 5 days, running to report on 😁


    Wed: 13.2k: 1:00:41 @4:36/km


    Just happy to be out running. Little quick but I hadn't exactly over exerted myself if the preceding few days. Running wise anyway 😕


    Thu: 7 Miles Easy: 56:33 @5:01/km


    Fri: 7 Miles Easy: 55:25 @4:55/km


    2 rambles around the town. Mojo beginning to return. Enjoying the runs.


    Sat: 8.3k Easy: 41:47 @5:01/km


    Shoehorned in a few miles while Ben Healy was at Sarsfields training.


    Sun: 16 Miles inc 6x1 mile on/off: 1:48:41 @4:13/km


    Starting an actual plan tomorrow, two weeks later than planned, but how and ever. Fancied putting in an effort and dipped into my catalogue of workouts to pull out this guy.

    Had a challenging enough route planned out that came in at 16 miles. Had a vague idea of 7:15 pace for the miles off and 6:26/27 pace for the miles on.


    Planned on starting easy enough but the two warm up miles come in at 6:53 & 6:50 🙄. No time to second guess myself here so off I went for the first effort. Up the effort and after about 400m glance at the pace, it's showing 3:53/km...ease off but I'm moving nicely and don't slow a whole lot before the miles beeps at 6:17. I know the route is lumpy so I just focus on trying to maintain the same efforts for the on and off miles. First off mile comes in at 7 mins dead on. Obviously this is faster than I'd planned, but the paces were arbitrary enough. What followed were 6:23 & 7:00, 6:12 & 7:43 on a lovely downhill mile out the back of Athgarvan followed by a filthy mile back out of it, 6:16 & 6:59, 6:10 & 6:52 and 6:14 & 7:07 to finish out the efforts. Tipped home in two 6:58 miles for a pretty decent day at the office.


    5 days running for 70k in total. Few weeks of shorter stuff now, free hit at the Jingle Bells, a parkrun and warm up race after and then up to Raheny for a good bloodbath 😛



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Mon: 7 Miles Easy: @5:12/km: 58:37

    Tue: 7 Miles Easy: @5:05/km: 57:15

    A couple of almost identical shuffles across the soft and increasingly murky plains. Enjoyable as always.

    Wed: Session: 6x1km off 2mins

    Good God this was a serious shock to the system. I won't say what the suggested pace was, as I'd risk some serious embarrassment 😭 To be fair, the plan was accompanied by the advice 'don't worry too much about the paces for the first couple of weeks, we can adjust them as neccessary' Which was just as well!

    I hadn't ran a km faster in a session faster than MP since Aug 24th (if you don't count the HM, and pair of 59:30 10 milers that were snuck into the end of the block) and it showed. Went up to the top road in the camp and went and back for these. One direction being slightly tougher and upwind. I honestly thought of knocking things on the head after the first rep came in at 3:44. But I have to start somewhere don't I. 'Suck it up Healy!' Just focused on effort after that and knocked off the rep pace data field on the watch as it demoralising enough. 2nd rep in the faster direction comes in at 3:31. Session ended up looking like

    3:44,3:31,3:38,3:32,3:37,3:30.

    After the first rep, which was a shock to the system, I settled in and felt better by the end. I now know where my baseline speed is right now, so hopefully the only way is up from here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    Was doing some log surfing and saw this pop up. Jingle Bells is back to the original route this year; 2019 was temp move because of some resurfacing works on the Upper Glen Road.

    A much more favourable route; get to the Furze junction and blast home the last mile from there; it's an early 0930 start time though which I hear is going to be the norm for races in the Phoenix Park going forward.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Thu: 7 Miles Easy: 1:01:51 @5:24/km


    Ambling around the town after a long day in work 🤯


    Fri: 10k Easy: 50:46 @5:05/km


    Had written off a run after a head melting day, but an unexpected window opened up about tea time and I shot out the door for this one. A good sign that I'm back in the swing of things.


    Sat: Session: 14x400m off 75 secs


    It wasn't a million years ago when I could rattle off 20x400 off 60 secs without a second thought. I'm out of practice though. I'd no expectations for what pace I could maintain for 14 reps. I knew the recoveries were a little generous, so I just went on feel. Went to Industrial estate loop which is about 550m which worked well as I wasn't checking watch like I might at 200m on the track. I didn't know exactly where I was, and that suited me just fine. Managed to churn out


    75,77,77,77,78,78,78,

    76,77,76,78,78,79,77


    Was working hard, but was delighted with the effort. Dug in for the last few, but definitely felt something reawakening inside me as the reps went on.


    14.6k for the day.


    Sun: 21.1k: 1:29:55@4:16/km


    Steady longer effort was called for. Had a pretty unmalleable window for this one. Planned 14 miles around 6:50, but met a running buddy who lost a friend recently so sacrificed a mile to have a chat with him. 

    Felt great during the run. Far be it from me to go all Celine Díon, but it's all coming back, it's all coming back to me now...😁


    91k for the week. 2 sessions and a MLR in the bag. Another couple of these weeks and I'll be back on the horse. 



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Things ticking along slowly but surely...


    Mon: 7 Miles Easy: 56:28 @5:01/km


    Usual amble around the plains, which are getting softer by the day. An absolutely glorious chilly late afternoon out there. Passed at least 8 randomers out foraging for what I can only presume were magic mushrooms. Everyone of them was looking in the wrong place and literally missing out on hundreds of them out the other side of the plains near the gallops. I didn't tell any of them that they were looking in the wrong place...😏


    Tue: 8 Miles Easy: 1:05:52 @5:07/km


    As per Monday, plus a mile, minus the magic mushrooms.


    Wed: Session: 8x800m off 90 secs.


    Wasn't really jumping out the door to do this after a head melting day, but I'm in a nice little groove atm so I got out without too much procrastinating. Paces are a bit exploratory at the moment. I'm given the sessions and we sort of see where things are. I've definitley felt like I'm already in better shape after only 2 sessions; the horrendous mile repeats (6) and the slightly better 400's (14).


    With MacPhisto's recent glowing endorsement of the Endorphin Speeds in the back of my head, I threw them on for this one. I think they're my favourite shoe. I know they're not fantastic in the wet, but I haven't found them as bad as some others have.


    Anyway, took to the loop after work and cobbled together the following off 90secs recovery;


    2:42, 2:42, 2:45, 2:43

    2:43, 2:43, 2:46, 2:40


    Nearly got a belt of a car on the second last one (not my fault), and was still annoyed by the time I started the final rep.


    I'm doing my sessions off the track in Newbridge from here on in. I've doubts about both the GPS and track length if I'm honest looking back at my sessions. I feel like I get more from doing them on the road anyway.


    Was feeling 'that' feeling that one gets at the end of a tough interval workout today. I wanted to quit, recovery felt way too short etc, but I finished session and the times were respectable enough. Again, I feel like I'm progressing slowly but surely.


    13.4k for the day.


    5 mile tempo on Saturday lined up next. 



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Thu: 8 Miles Shuffle: 1:11:29 @5:33/km


    Mooching around the town. Layered up, podcasts on, not spending an extra ounce of energy than needed. Watch died after a couple of miles, so was probably even slower than advertised 😛


    Fri: 9.1k Easy: 43:55 @4:49/km


    Short little run around a baltic and windswept Camp. 


    Sat: 9 Miles inc 5 Mile Tempo (29:41)


    A morning spent toy shopping in Smyths didn't have me bouncing off the walls for this one. Windy and cold up in the Camp. Plan was 3 miles at 6 min pace and a bit faster for the last couple. Managed it without too much drama, although I never felt particularly great at any point. Was just happy to get it done on a scaldy enough day for it. 


    Splits for tempo were (5:59, 5:58, 5:59, 5:53, 5:52)


    Sun: 22k Easy: 1:40:31 @4:34/km


    Easy run around the town with a buddy. First easier long effort in a while. Nice change. 


    96k for a decent week's work. 


    Running Jingle Bells next Saturday. Have zero expectations or targets. Will see how I feel on the morning. Could be 17 mins, could be 18 mins or somewhere in between. Will be good to get in a blow out anyway. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    Those 5 miles tempos are fantastic. Good luck in Jingle Bells I'd live to be doing it again



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Mon & Tue: Nowt

    A couple of days that had me questioning my career choice. Tough going.

    Wed: 7 Miles Easy: 54:47 @4:52/km

    Scrapped planned session and just went easy across the plains and out the back of the racecourse. Nice to be in the headspace where I could actually get out for a run.

    Unsure whether to run Jingle Bells at the weekend. Will see where where my mental wherewithal is at after tomorrow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    An update of sorts. Raced JB in the end. An enjoyable morning, if a little underwhelming performance wise. Great to see AMK bag a pb (and take my scalp for the first time in a long long time 😂) Was feeling a bit of a dose that morning and this got worse as the day went on, and by Sunday morning I was tracking McPhisto and watching Valencia in a very ropey state indeed. (What a run btw! If the man himself could treat us to a report that would be great! Tracker went down after 15k, but I never had any doubt as to him keeping the show on the road. Inspiring stuff.) Out of work Mon & Tue, serious case of man flu (I'm not a good patient btw). Back in yesterday, only to be sent home by a combination of my DP and Secretary. Sometimes you convince yourself you're feeling better only to go into work and realise that 'Sh1t, this is just not happening' 🙁 Went for PCR test just to count out Covid, but I'm sure I just have a bad dose.

    Anyway, haven't ran a step since Saturday's warm down with AMK. Think I'll scrap the rest of the week and start afresh from Monday. Probably for the best. Feeling motivated though. Think my system is trying to tell me something.

    Will sort out restructured a block for Raheny and then go into Limerick block. I've lost the guts of 4 weeks due to illness since MCR, and am nowhere near where I planned to be, but I'm not worried.

    When I'm back running I might put up a report on the Jingle Bells (17:27), but there's not really much to report. Ran relatively hard, didn't feel fast, happy enough considering where I was, didn't hurt or put myself in the position to hurt at any point. Actually, that is the report. 😁

    Coming near the end of year review time. I don't think I'm looking forward to that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    At least mention the part where you overtook me for about 10 seconds, then I went by you again.


    Get well soon - meet up during the hols.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    It's a hard call between the lad that was on the piss for the week and the lad who had a dose and was mentally frazzled....



  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭MrMacPhisto


    Thanks for the positive vibes Mr Healy! I will cobble together something re Valencia, or god forbid, maybe start a log.

    I hope you are feeling better soon. Sometimes rest is just the best. It is a good time of the year for reflection and planning. I am now in the same boat and will be availing of the back of beer mats and discarded takeaway trays to dream up some sort of plan for 2022 :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Finally managed to play catch up on this one (slowly working my way through)

    Fair play on the training this year can't have been easy. I know you have had a few bumps on the road in terms of race performances but overall I don't think its as negative as you think. I agree with the notion that mental stumbling blocks have been the issue moreso than physical training which has been solid.

    I am going to come at it from a slightly different angle in terms of analysis but I can't imagine your job has been easy this year with everything. High pressure stressful situations can take there toll mentally and marathon effort themselves require a huge amount of mental energy expended on the day (can't imagine the airport experience mid covid can have helped either)

    While you may not look back on the year as being a stellar one hopefully with things settling down in 2022 (hopefully) you can have a breakthrough year and capitalize on the physical benefits you have accrued over the year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    😁 Race reports should only really be written after the consumption of 4 beers minimum 👍 rope your brother into updating his log too 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Thanks for those observations 👍 I know I can learn from the last 18 months, and a couple of small tweaks in training and preparation are all that are probably needed.

    Looking forward to getting a few decent weeks back to back and a few nice runs in over the holdiays.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    18 days....😮 The forum seems to have exploded back into life too during that period which is a good thing. Decided that since I'd missed a couple of weeks of running due to a virus (not that one), I'd double down and take advantage of the fact that I wasn't in shape to train hard over Christmas for once and just eat and drink my way through the holiday season! 7 days into said regime, I regret nothing! The ever so slightly increasing bulge around my midriff however is now annoying me and this fact added to my now healthy status has me looking forward to training again (in the New Year 😉 as I have a few Guinness Nitrosurge to finish off before then 😋😋). Have ran a few times, felt pretty unfit but just happy to be out.

    Obviously, that 10 week block, that then became an 8 week block after my first bug, which was to culminate with Raheny is now in ruins. Sitting down for a pint with the man in charge this weekend so will map out what's next then. Have a good idea what I want to do...

    I may try and catch up with goings on around these parts first though 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    Will you still run Raheny even if not in peak shape ? You were right to enjoy your Christmas after all going ons in the last few months.



  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭MrMacPhisto


    What are the nitro surge cans like? Gimmick or game-changer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    They are defo a gimmick - sort of.

    I think they are nicer than 'normal' cans but obviously not as nice as the real thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭MrMacPhisto


    Thanks AMK. Maybe I'll give them a miss so! I am a fan of afternoon pints anyway ;)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    They're draught quality. Now, mid-table fare, but still a nice option to have at home 😁 but yes, afternoon pints are the best pints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Right - we've left you alone long enough.

    Whats the story with 2022 - give us the synopsis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    What in the bejeezus is a Guinness Nitrosurge? I go awol for a few months and ye have started christening yer fancy shoes?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    You've obviously been one of the responsible folks in lockdown.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    I've been pretty fortunate that I've been close to peak fitness for pretty much the last 2 years. Now this in turn may been a factor in my Autumn marathon disaster, but right now it has made it difficult for me to deal with being out of shape for the first time in forever.


    I'm not panicking or anything (maybe the fact I've mentioned that means I actually am🤔), but any sort of fitness just seems a long way off right now. I'm struggling to see how I could be able to start marathon training in 2 weeks. We'll wait and see I suppose.


    Since the Jingle Bells, my running has looked like this;


    Dec 6th-12th: 0km


    Dec 13th-19th: 6.4km


    Dec 20th-26th: 35.6km


    Dec 27th-Jan 2nd: 54.7km


    Jan 3rd-9th: 63.6km


    Nothing of note in there. All easy save for an attempted 'steady' longer effort last Sunday which saw me cut it short at 10 miles (in just over 72mins 😭) for fear of me spontaneously combusting! It served me right for doing nothing for 5 weeks and just expecting to bang out 14/15 miles quicker than anything else I'd done.


    Got 7 days running in this week which is a bit of progress. Actually felt half decent on today's effort where I felt something was stirring, but still painfully slow;


    Mon: 7 Miles: 58:38 @5:12/km


    Tue: 7 Miles: 55:06 @4:53/km


    Wed: 5 Miles: 39:30 @4:55/km


    Thu: 5 Miles: 39:30 @4:55/km


    Fri: 10k: 52:26 @5:14/km


    Sat: 7 Miles: 56:01 @4:58/km


    Sun: 23k: 1:52:37 @4:53/km


    83k for the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    This is something I've thought about a bit, because those of us lucky enough to not have prolonged injury breaks often move from marathon block to a slightly less intensive block but with some racing, then back to a goal race training block, fairly seamlessly without much of a break. I've been pretty much doing this myself over and over since early 2014. It gives the impression that you are constantly training and must therefore be constantly on an upward curve, and even when you know this can't be true, you still feel you must be fitter than ever. Even when we know intuitively that rest and recovery have to be part of the process, we feel we should be able to take these periods of lesser intensity without any real drop-off in fitness, or maybe more accurately in 'speed endurance'. I know myself that a few weeks after any marathon, a marathon-pace run always makes me wonder, how the f*ck did I manage that for 26 miles? You just have to trust that it will be OK, it will come back, because it always does, although not always as quickly and dramatically. Hang in there!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Trust the process. Trust the process. Trust the process.

    Hectic enough day which included dealing with Public Health about an outbreak in the school saw me scrap a planned session yesterday. Hoping to get in a couple of 5/6 miles tempos and a 6x1 mile session in addition to 26k & 28k vanilla long runs in the next couple of weeks. I've been assured that my current lack of fitness is a blessing in disguise, but coaches always try and tell their athletes what they want to hear right? No paces prescribed for any of the runs, just get them in and keep building.

    I've been looking over my runs since October and I genuinely forgot about a 16 Miler in the middle of November that included 6x1 mile on/off where I averaged 6:15 miles for the efforts and around 6:45 for the entire thing. I had just sort of thought I hadn't ran any sort of effort since MCR. Maybe fitness isn't that far away. Just hoping that things will start to move along and I can see some tangible improvements. Looking at some of my sessions from the last block and at AMK's training, that just seems a long, long way away. Add this to the fact that Limerick suddenly does not seem a long, long way away and you have a slightly worried Healy1835. I also need to stop bleating about how unfit I am on here. Suck it up and get fit Healy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    I think a year from now you'll look back on this "downtime" and think of it as a blessing in disguise. I think you underestimate just how long you were within 80-90% of peak. Easy for me to say I know. If I was in your shoes I'd probably feel the same way but you'll come good again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    A little over 3 months ago I stood on the start line of a marathon planning and expecting to average under 6:15/mile, today I ran a 5 mile tempo in 32:43 and was very happy with it. Running is mad 😛

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    @Murph_D and @Swashbuckler are right, this period, as frustrating as it may be for you will probably end up being the making of your next big run. Just think how fresh your body is now and ready to tackle the year ahead. All of that hard work last year was banked and your fitness is there, just a little rusty. Boring story: I really struggled in the Spring of 2016, I was way off where I wanted to be, a calf injury just wouldn't go away and I was getting fed up so I just ended up taking a full 2 weeks off and then started from scratch. This is probably all in my log. I gradually came back, every month getting stronger and ran a 2:31 marathon that September which felt like it came out of nowhere but it was no coincidence. I look back at that Spring period and I think it was key in preparing me for the year ahead.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    A sliver of light at the end of the tunnel here...

    Mon: 5 Miles Easy: 40:17 @5:00/km

    Mindless shuffle around the Camp & Plains.

    Tue: 7 Miles Easy: 56:02 @4:58/km

    Wed: 7 Miles Easy: 54:11 @4:48/km

    Had a session tentatively planned (6 x 1 Mile @whoknows/km) but an afternoon dealing with Public Health had me on the ropes, so a rinse and repeat of Tuesday's run was the best I could muster.

    Thu: 10k Easy: 49:50 @4:59/km

    This log is pretty uninspiring atm isn't it.

    Fri: 10k Easy: 49:32 @4:57/km

    I'm conscious of not ramping up mileage too quickly. A lot of these easy efforts could be longer but I'm staying disciplined.

    Sat: 12k inc 5 Mile Tempo (32:43)

    I really wasn't sure what was in the post for this one. I'm going to make a concerted effort to avoid the loop in the Camp & the Lidl loop in the town for any longer sessions. Limerick & Dublin have plenty of ups and downs so my sessions are going to as well. I've a 5 Mile extended bog loop which has a whole heap of variety and will keep the runner very honest, so that's where I ambled to for this one. I honestly would have been happy with anything under 35 mins. Threw on the Endorphin Speeds and after a couple of km warm up, set tentatively out.

    With the handbrake firmly on, the first mile came in at a sprightly enough 6:53. 2nd mile included a decent drag which I navigated smoothly enough to clock a 6:38. A favourable 3rd mile saw me really hold back in order to ensure a strong finish, but still came in at 6:32. I'm singing along to some tunes at this stage, just happy to be back putting in some sort of effort. Bell X1's 4 Minute Mile comes on during the 4th mile and I let the handbrake off a little as I belt out the lyrics (This is happening out in the bog remember 😛) and clock a 6:19. 5th Mile back into a breeze pinches a little but still comes in at 6:21.

    Take about 30 secs to recover and then trot home to bring up 12k for the day. Happy with that for a first session back.

    Sun: Long Run: 26k: 2:02:23 @4:42/km

    If Limerick is to happen, I need to get a couple of longer efforts in before I start a block. Again, no paces planned for this. Just get the distance in. I'd planned to run it very easy, 5min kms and the like. But after a tentative few early miles, the pace just naturally picked up and I really felt good on this one. Tired mind you by the end, but a happy tired. Covered the last 10 miles in around 73:30.

    89km for the week.

    Something is stirring. More of the same next week, will get in the missed 6x1 Mile session and push out Tempo a little to 6 Miles.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    'Something is stirring'....was actually accurate. It just happened to be a horrendous case of the 💩 (apologies). If it wasn't for bad luck I'd have no luck at the moment. No running Tue or Wed. Will tip out for a run later and hopefully get in session + LR at the weekend, or maybe a LR session. Will see what the man in charge thinks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Oh sh*t.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Mon: 7 Miles Easy: 59:06 @5:15/km

    Shuffle around the town. Legs feeling fairly fresh after the previous days longer effort. The Invincibles are such a nice shoe to just amble around in.

    Tue & Wed: Nowt

    I'll spare readers the details, but it was grim. The take away is that Imodium Plus is the real deal.

    Thu: 7 Miles Easy: 54:14 @4:49/km

    Was unsure about how the system would be after the previous 48 hrs, but everything was fine. Scrapped midweek session obviously, decided not to chase it and just leave it on the shelf.

    Fri: 10k Easy: 48:58 @4:54/km

    In service day at work saw me treating the staff to Dominos pizza for lunch 🙂🍕. Not an ideal pre run lunch, but a very tasty one nonetheless.

    Sat: Long Run: 27k: 2:06:18@4:41/km inc an 'up-tempo' 10k effort (41:57)

    Weekend was shaping up to be a busy one, so getting this in early Sat morning made things a lot less complicated for me. It had been a while since I did any type of run at 6:30 am, let alone a LR session. It never dawned on me that it would be dark out until I was lacing up the runners. This important piece of information meant a big change to the route I had in my head. Add to this the scaldy weather conditions and I really wasn't feeling it as I shuffled out the door.

    Plan for the run was to include an up-tempo effort for 10k at some point. After about 6 Miles I decided that I'd better make a move as the mojo was beginning to flatline. If I had planned the route a bit better I could have had some wind assistance, instead I had an annoying cross wind that was neither helping nor hindering things, but always present. Once again, i'd no real pace in mind. Was hoping to maybe average sub 3 pace, but that was a fairly arbitrary target and with the jacket on, I just left the watch under the sleeve and went off effort.

    Spluttered into life with a 7:05 first mile. Thought I was moving faster, but I told myself that if 7 min miles were all I was capable of this morning then 7 mins miles it is. Happily enough I worked my way into the session and by the end I was feeling pretty great. The effort just naturally became a progression run and the rest of the miles came in at 6:47, 6:51, 6:45, 6:33 & 6:30, with the 10k coming in just under 42 mins. Jogged home (rather than do loops of the Lidl wind tunnel, I ran out the dual carriageway to the Tougher's Industrial estate. This meant that any thoughts I may have had of capping things at 15 miles were out the window as I was now 7k from home) feeling pretty happy with the lay of the land.

    Sun: 10.2k Recovery: 51:32 @5:05/km

    Shuffled around the town, before heading to Conleth's Park to see a brilliant performance from the Lilies. A couple of beers afterwards (my first of the year) whilst sitting at a bar just capped off the day.

    70k for the week. I would have bitten your hand of if offered that around 4am Wednesday morning!

    As of today I'm marathon training. I'm going to give it a whirl and see what sort of shape I can get myself into over the next 13 weeks. No pressure, just get the runs in, enjoy the process and see where we end up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Limerick Marathon Week 1 of 13 🙄


    Mon: AM: 5 Miles Easy: 41:02 @5:06/km


    Knew I was gonna be tight for time later on so got in a semi-comatose shuffle before the day started.


    PM: 8.25k: 42:31 @5:10/km


    Mooched around the plains. Going soft.


    Tue: 7 Miles Easy: 55:06 @4:53/km


    Post work amble around the Camp.


    Wed: Session: 3x2 Miles @MP effort off 5 mins jog recovery.


    Long day in work saw me hit the loop in the Camp late enough. Was sort of looking forward to the session which was a positive. 

    I'd already fired a text to my running consigliere trying to explain in advance how my MP would be pretty slow. The reply recieved was along the lines of 'You're not as far off as you think. Don't sell yourself short and diverge too much from MP'. Which was just a nice way of telling me to man-up a little I suppose.


    I don't know what MP will end up being. In an ideal world it'll be sub 2:45, but with current fitness levels being where they are, I'm prepared for it not to get down to that pace. For today, seeing as I ran the 10k effort during last weekend's LR @4:12/km, I could hardly be banging out out 6:50's for this one could I!? 


    Decided to feel my way into the efforts. Left just the elapsed time field on the watch for the first loop, around 1.5k, and then checked the pace...3:58/km. Eeek. This seems fast I thought, so I dialled it back a bit for the next mile. I wanted to finish strong and thought that pace wasn't sustainable. The first rep comes in at 13:03 (6:23, 6:40). 


    5 mins recovery felt very slow but was still coming in at 4:40/km. Bang out a 6:21 to start the next rep, but don't really feel the need to hold back now. The 2nd mile of these reps is a little trickier route-wise, and comes in at 6:26 for a 12:47 split. 5 mins recovery flies by again and I bring it home in 12:48 (6:25 & 6:23).


    5 mins recovery and cool down brings up the 10 miles and I finish the session feeling pretty happy with things. The 2 mile reps were more than a marathon effort if I'm being honest. I know this. But I feel like things are progressing nicely and we're building bit by bit here. 

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Was very happy seeing this today on Strava. This is one of those occasions where I won't give out for running at an effort harder than planned. To be honest I think it'll serve you well.

    Like your advisor said...you're not as far off as you think. We all catastrophise when we get injured or struggle for a period. You'll be very surprised how quickly you'll come good. Roll on GLR. First round is on you afterwards 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    I really think you'll hit the target in Limerick - the break will have done you good and you'll peak just at the right time. I also think you'll 'find' fitness much faster than you think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭MrMacPhisto


    Ditto to the above. 11 weeks to climb to the peak, level, recover, and then do battle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    👍️👍️

    And to be honest, I'm very relaxed about what MP ends up at. Lessons have been learned after October from chasing arbitrary times. Doesn't mean I'm any less ambitious about how low I want to go, but the focus is on performance rather than splits.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    How did you do the multiquote there?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Eh, on my phone, I just clicked quote on each of the three posts and they were automatically added to the draft message.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Might join the Limerick bus J, while ye guys are traveling on elite coaches I’m on the clapped out minibus 🤣


    Best of luck with it and like the lads have said Manchester will stand to you 👍


    TbL



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Thu: 7 Miles Easy: 58:51 @5:13/km

    Shuffle around the town. Feeling fresh enough after previous evening's effort. Listened to a cracking episode of the Song Exploder podcast on Franz Ferdinand's Take me Out. Brought back some great memories of the days when I was a much more prolific gig-goer.

    Fri: 10k Easy: 50:30 @5:03/km

    Friday has become an unofficial rest/easy day. Shuffled around the plains for the usual 10k.

    Sat: LR: 29k: 2:13:03 @4:35/km inc 5/4/3/2/1 km steady off 5/4/3/2 mins recovery.

    Saturday suited me again this weekend for the LR. Had a lumpy route planned in my head, which was going to make the steady efforts interesting as I wasn't entirely sure where they were going to kick in. Thought I had a water out on the route from last week that I didn't use, but this turned out not to be the case so the run was on empty.

    Plan called for 28k with another up-tempo effort a-la last week's LR. I fancied pushing it on a bit though, so the 5/4/3/2/1 would give me 15km of decent work and keep me alert too.

    Conditions were pretty grim for the most part. Rain and a very strong breeze. What direction you ask? Against. That was the direction of this morning's wind! The Curragh can be it's own little eco system at times, and today's wind direction was just confounding 🥴 settled on something in the region of 6:50 pace for the efforts, knowing that average pace was the name of the game due to the route and wind.

    5 mile warm up saw me starting the 5k steady just after a steep drag. Chugged into action with a 6:53 mile into the breeze, and really had to work during the predominantly uphill and into the breeze 5k. Split came in bang on target at 21:15 and now I just had to navigate a crosswind instead of a headwind.

    The next 4k were a lot more straight forward route-wise and came in on target at 16:57.

    Thought I'd a bottle of water stashed in a bush around this point, but to no avail. Moved quickly on and started making my way back towards the Camp. A couple of sneaky drags didn't put the pace off the rails and the 3k came in like clockwork at 12:45 😁

    These sessions are great when you get to the last couple of efforts as you've really broken the back of it (particularly the mile & MP version of this session and not the lite version that this was). The 2k effort had a steep decline and nasty hill in the first 1.2k so I just let gravity take it's course and came out of it with an 8:23 split.

    The last km took care if itself at 4:08 and a tired shuffle home brought up 29k on the button. Happy with that effort. 94k for the week to date, recovery amble tomorrow will bring up my first 100+k week in a little while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Would you normally have water stashed on the route for your long runs?Trying to prep myself for the coming weeks. I'm so used to running with zero water or gels I don't want to end up bonked on the side of the road..



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    @Swashbuckler In short, yes. I've gone through phases of doing long runs on empty etc. but the main man would a big advocate of fuelling during LR's and after listening to a couple of interviews with the nutritionist Evan Lynch, I'm very much of the volition that it's just too risky not to fuel during LR sessions.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Sun: 10.1k Recovery: 54:49 @5:25/km

    Shuffled out at half time in the Kildare game and listened to the rest of the game during the run. Passed the time, if a little on the frustrating side.

    Some cracking 10 milers being ran in Trim and Dungarvan this morning (hat tip to Jebuz, Treviso, Lambay Island & Dubh Geannain). Don't feel like I'm missing out on anything though which is a sure sign that fitness, whilst returning slowly, is not there yet.

    104k for the week with the 3x2 mile and LR sessions going fairly well. Will up mileage again this week to maybe 115k. Just keeping chipping away at this thing and hopefully making progress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Was interested to see that run today. Probably the slowest easy run ive seen you do in a long long time. Was that a conscious choice?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    I don't have paces for easy runs, I run them purely on feel. After a bigger LR they're usually pretty sedate. Today's was spent listening to the game and was probably too close to my dinner...but I was tired. Felt a lot better by the end though 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Ah yeah I know you're not one to watch the watch but most of your easy runs in your last block were sub 5min/km. Was just wondering if there had been advice from the advisor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Nope none at all. I must check back now that you point that out. I really don't remember any post LR runs that were quicker than 5 min kms....



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