Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

What? This year? 2021? 5.4 mil?

’the first batch didn’t work, sorry ‘bout that guys, try these ... will 5 mil do? ... there’s more where these came from anyway ...’

It can also be down to whatever echo chamber they live in and we all inhabit echo chambers from time to time. That said there has been quite a bit of radicalisation out of COVID and some very hard lines drawn.

How do you know whether I’ve taken a vaccine or not?

It does appear that those who are concerned that boosters will be perpetual are now ‘anti vax’.

Unfortunately this is getting more common, ask a question about how effective this vaccine actually is for example and its "oh my god your anti vax, people like you asking questions are the problem"

Generally getting more and more nasty as time goes on, only a few days ago we had posts on here saying people who havent been vaccinated were rapists and everyone else the victims!!

The vaccines are easily paying for themselves (not sure why you keep pushing this angle as it makes no sense at all, without vaccines, we'd be more restricted and likely locked down).

We will probably have annual boosters, take up of them will vary based on government advice and necessity, a lot of people get the flu vaccine, some don't just because of the effort required to go and get one, that doesn't mean they're anti-vax they're just not going out of their way that year.

We might get to the point where it's every 6 months for vulnerable/elderly (I doubt it, but let's pretend) at some point in the future, the take up will drop off as it's no longer a public health emergency.

Public health advice is strongly to get vaccinated with the SARS-COV2 vaccines. Boosters aren't being enforced yet, but might be (likely for eldery and vulnerable). Will they go further than that? Probably not, but we'll see, the pandemic has made fools out of a lot of people (same as the idiots who still parrot "two weeks to flatten the curve" as if nothing has happened since then or their little brains can't handle anything that isn't a soundbite).

I'd take an annual vaccine, I might take a booster in 2022, I'll let the science guide the decision making. I won't start making pronouncements now because undoubtedly be wrong.

The line gets drawn when the medicine becomes unnecessary, diabetics take medicine every day of their lives, people take blood pressure medicine, cholesterol medicine, there is no imaginary "line" to be drawn because that would be stupid, why set a limit on staying alive and living.

But if you want to try and drag everyone down to be an anti-vaxxer in some sort of "everybody's as bad" then good luck with that, it's a common tactic these days, but it's also a stupid tactic that people can see through pretty quickly.

GPs are paid per dose administered I believe, dont know about 100 per dose but its certainly more than 12. Cost per vaccine is probably closer to 50eur per person in this country

If we were to take just the hospital and ICU statistics on the vaccinated and unvaccinated presently and from those calculate what the numbers would be for both without vaccines on that basis alone, they would be most likely good vallue without even considering what the numbers would do to the overall economy without vaccines.

I was accused of being anti-vax in this thread for being one of those that didn't get one due to the effort required. I just didn't go out of my way.

The only place I see the phrase, "two weeks to flatten the curve," is in this thread. The ONLY place.

In Dublin shops that shut in mid-March 2020 had signs up that said 'See you on March 30th'

It was the authorities who initially said that we'd need a two week closure in order to 'flatten the curve'.

At 20 months and being told that massive ICU expansion isn't possible, curve-flattening is clearly quasi-permanent.

Haha! I was waiting for that! I'd actually meant to pre-empt it by adding a comment at the end of my post but I got distracted double checking my figures and sources.

I never said anything about the whether vaccines were or weren't value for money, or the cost to the economy without them, or the lives they save, or anything else. You're blathering on about value for money which isn't remotely relevant to the post you've quoted. Personally I think vaccines are well worth every penny spent on them.

But unsurprisingly, you didn't even bother acknowledging your "mistake", you just instantly pivot to a different topic.

All I did was take your deliberately misquoted figure and clearly demonstrate that it was completely incorrect.

Any legitimate poster would have acknowledged the correction or at least addressed it. You, on the other hand, have been repeatedly shown to be a contemptible liar uninterested in facts or reality who deliberately distorts the truth and deflects when called out on it.

I'm not disputing that it was the government message at the start. It's only here that it's repeated ad infinitum.

I don't recall any claim that they'd be one (or two) and done for ever. Going on the commentary from the get go, I expected annual "boosters". But no one even labels the annual flu vaccine a "booster", even if that's what it essentially is.

come join us , it's fun here .

The recent numbers from ICU and hospitalisation show what a lie the whole scapegoating as been . a mere cover up for incompetence and a scorched earth strategy driven by panic and arse covering. The anti vaccine crowd are not clogging the A&E and the government and their representatives knew this all along.

But then again , the whole "togetherness" vibe has been horsesh1t since the start , a entire campaign of lurching from one scapegoat to the next scrambling to deflect blame from the real source.

I still expected in the medium term the virus to mutate and require further vaccination.

I believe the understanding is a new variant would have to

1. Be more transmissible than delta to out compete it
2. Be less deadly than delta to allow for the host to spread the virus for longer

A more deadly but less contagious variant shouldn't be an issue since it wouldn't take hold or spread fast enough. (thats my understanding of it, open to correction)

By that point any further mutations will be completely endemic and not much harm to the vast majority who have been exposed to levels of immunity/natural recovery.

Like what we saw in Japan. They had high levels of immunity from Sarscov1 years later which might be one of the reasons they barely had any issues. Meanwhile we never had huge Sarcov1 out breaks and as such were much more vulnerable.