No Time to Die Spoilers from post #1449 onward

Apothic_Red · 14-11-2021 2:06pm

Can we all agree that the real hero was Ana De Armas dress

pixelburp · 14-11-2021 2:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164452#Comment_118164452

I think - being the seasoned Hollywood producer that I am - the smart play is to rest Bond for upward of 10 years. Well. Maybe five; a decade might be too much - but give the character time to settle into pop culture retirement before returning with a new approach.

Still think Bond as an IP is thin grool that it can go for another 20+ movies, but assuming Hollywood will out, they shouldn't get greedy.

Acosta · 14-11-2021 4:12pm

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First thing they need to do is get the casting right. But it will be very interesting to see where they go from here as they've never been in this position with the character. Another reset I'd say, maybe starting at an even earlier point in Bonds life. That doesn't necessarily mean they'll go with another continuous arc over several movies.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164563#Comment_118164563

The breaks, albeit small ones that they have had in the past certainly did the quality of the movies they returned with no harm. Goldeneye and Casino Royale being two of the best. The break between Die Another Day and Casino Royale feels longer than 4 years because the movies are so different in style, tone and quality.

Agree with you on why they should give it a few years before coming back.

FunLover18 · 14-11-2021 5:45pm

The trouble with long breaks is that the actor is going to age and you may not get as many out of them. Craig is the longest serving Bond actor but only 5 films. The longest break was obviously between Spectre and NTTD which was 6 years but would have been 5 if not for Covid. After that there were 4 years between QoS and Skyfall.

yenr · 15-11-2021 1:39pm

I think everyone experiences this movie to slow representation,

As a James Bond fan, this one is not blockbuster than others from them.

B.A._Baracus · 20-11-2021 7:31pm

Just watching this at the moment. I got to say that Lashana Lynch has quite the rump.

That is all. Lol.

B.A._Baracus · 21-11-2021 4:04pm

Finished it last night. Ah, good in places and boring in others. Rami Malek is a good actor but he's character wasn't used that much. A villian for the sake of having a villian.

The nanobot virus appears to have been lifted from the video game Metal Gear Solid - in which a weapon is also dna targeted to kill specific people. The game uses "nanomachines" while this movie uses "nanobots" :p

But having Craig's bond die pretty much confims that it's going to be a clean slate reboot for all the characters. Wouldn't make sense to have Namoi Harris for one example playing Moneypenny alongside a new Bond. To her version of the character Bond is dead.

Which leads in to Lashana Lynch 007 character. I don't think she will get her own spin off movie. They are going clean slate. She might get a spinoff tv show to air on amazon prime (since amazon owns mgm now)

ArmaniJeanss · 21-11-2021 10:39pm

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I guess if Judi Dench was in the Craig reboot having previously been in the Brosnan films, then there's no reason why Q, M or Moneypenny necessarily have to be recast for the next film. No-one seemed to complain that Judi Dench's M completely ignored that she had a previous 'Cold War dinosaur' agent called James Bond.

They may be tempted to keep one or more of them just for the sake of having recognisable characters / not having to do castings for everyone.

EltonJohn69 · 21-11-2021 10:46pm

I would love to see the next bond be a coma patient who can only communicate sporadically through tapping his finger in morse code but somehow manages to take down a super villain.

B.A._Baracus · 22-11-2021 3:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118203504#Comment_118203504

Thing is pierce brosnans Bond didn't die at end of die another day.

Q actor Ben Wishaw has stated he doesn't expect to be asked back and expects all characters to be a clean slate. Says he signed on to do three movies and did just that.

augustus gloop · 22-11-2021 10:31am

Killing Bond was wreckless, who signed off on that? It never happened before, what gave them the right to do it now?

Paloma should have played a far larger part.

Remi's charachter was the weakest Bond villian in history, and rehashing Blofeld was desperate.

As someone previous quite rightly stated, when Vesper died, force feeding us his love with Madeleine didnt fit Bond's profile. Eva made Casino one of the best bond movies, I think Lea Seydoux detracts from them.

I loved Daniel Craig as Bond, a very good fit for the type of man Bond is meant to be. While I'm sad to see him go, I fear he had too much say in the script here, he really got too self indulgent.

augustus gloop · 22-11-2021 10:33am

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Breaking Bad used that storyline already I'm afraid!

loyatemu · 22-11-2021 11:28am

rented NTTD on Sky over the weekend and was pretty disappointed in it. It starts alright but by about halfway through I was getting seriously bored. I'm still not clear what Freddie Mercury's dastardly plan involved and why he was doing it, though he did have a good villainous lair (but what were all the henchmen pool-cleaners doing?).

Malek was chewing the scenery in every scene he was in, but his character was so underwritten there wasn't much else for him to do. The sequence where Bond is trying to break into the tower to open the missile doors was basically 10 minutes of first-person-shooter game footage (maybe that was deliberate?). Also Lashana Lynch's character was a straight rehash of Jinx from DAD.

They've gone too far with trying to make Bond into a rounded character with relationships and feelings - Skyfall found a reasonable medium, and had some of the old humour, but Spectre and NTTD were both overlong and tedious. And I really didn't like the ending - I know there's an implication that Craig's movies are a reboot or a different timeline, but killing him at the end sets a terrible precedent. Are they going to do that every time they change actor?

micks_address · 22-11-2021 11:30am

i rewatched during the week after seeing it in the cinema on release.. found it a struggle not to be bored with it. Sure it looks super stylish and sounds great.. but the story is totally forgettable.. overly long.. i have watched skyfall good few times and still enjoy it.. can't see myself watching this to many times..

TheIrishGrover · 22-11-2021 4:31pm

I thought it was pretty good. Not the biggest Bond fan. Of Craig's I enjoyed Casino Royale and Skyfall.

Thought Ana De Armas was fun (Wouldn't be surprised if her scenes were Phoebe Waller Bridge's involvement). Thought her whole thing was great and very enjoyable. From the initial display of nerves which were soon abandoned when needed. "Two weeks?" "More or less". Plus, that back.

I thought Noni was fantastic. I thought it was funny to see her doing all the typical Bondian-type stuff: Casually stepping off her plane and waving to Bond. Driving the Astin Martin. Throwing out the quips and killing everyone in sight before he even gets a chance to. And there was no doubt that she was a bad-ass agent. I'm sure even the people rolling their eyes the most at the thoughts of a female 007 had to admit she was plenty powerful enough (Almost too bad-ass).

I thought Malik was very underwritten though. For a film as long as it was, he didn't really have much of an impact. I mean he had all the bad-guy tropes: The ridiculous evil name, the secret lair, the obligatory physical deformity, the accent. But he was just.... there. He wasn't as much of a non-entity as the one in Quantum of Solace but he wasn't exactly Javier Bardim.... Heck, he wasn't even ~~Rupert Murdoch~~ am.... Yer man from Tomorrow Never Dies.

So does this lend credence to the whole fan theory of "James Bond" also being a Code Name? I know in Skyfall they refer to his family being Bond but this could all be simply because we are seeing it from his POV (In the same way that, in Mister Robot, the main company is referred to as "Evil Corp"). (Almost like even the movie was redacted/encrypted for security)

I can't find a link but there was the theory that they are all actually different people:

Connery just got too old.

Lazenby just broke down and couldn't go on.

Moore: Too old

Dalton: Went/stayed rogue

Brosnan: too old

Craig dead

loyatemu · 22-11-2021 5:50pm

I've seen an article that puts the films in a "chronological" order - i.e. the whole series is one guy, just different episodes from his career. So in that universe, Casino Royale and QOS have to be the first 2 as we see Bond's first mission in CR and QOS follows straight on from there; and I guess Spectre and NTTD now have to be the last 2 chronologically.

Sad Professor · 22-11-2021 5:55pm

I assume a lot of Malik’s scenes ended up on the cutting room floor due to Covid - notice that anytime someone talks about nanobots their mouth isn’t visible. Looks like they re-recorded a lot of exposition about the virus to make it more fantastical. It would be interesting to see the original pre-Covid version some day.

FunLover18 · 22-11-2021 6:03pm

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Makes sense to think of them as the same continuity. Set aside the 60 years thing why would Bond be still grieving Vesper in Spectre and NTTD and not Tracy.

Sleepy · 24-11-2021 3:05pm

The only way for Bond to go is back in time imo: set in the 60's as a period piece.

TheIrishGrover · 24-11-2021 4:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118216168#Comment_118216168

Yeah, there are many time periods he could be in. Basically any time before the 90's. Make it an espionage thriller rather than an OTT Bond movie. Working behind The Iron Curtain.

I suppose the question then is: Is it a Bond movie if he is dealing with USSR as opposed to megalomaniacs in volcanoes. I have not read the books so I don't know.

johnny_ultimate · 24-11-2021 4:57pm

A more playful take on Bond is definitely the way to go next - either a proper throwback to the 60s, or at very least channel the more lighthearted side seen in the de Armas scenes here. There's always been a touch of silliness to Bond, and while (I hope) nobody wants to see a return to the preposterous nadirs of Moonraker or Die Another Day, there's absolutely a pleasant middle ground between self-serious, traumatised Bond and moon base invading / invisible car driving Bond.

ArmaniJeanss · 24-11-2021 5:11pm

The thing is we already have the period pieces. They are called 'From Russia With Love', 'Thunderball' etc.

Period pieces are also hugely expensive to make and quite complicated for location shooting (which is why they are largely set-based).

Like even looking at the last film, lots of the locations used would be questionable in a 60s film. The Norwegian road was opened in the 1990s, and Matera was an abandoned ghost town until the 80s.

Keyzer · 24-11-2021 5:29pm

Very tedious movie, nearly fell asleep at one point...

Sad to see Craig go though, I enjoyed him in the role.

Skyfall my clear favorite from his era.

johnny_ultimate · 24-11-2021 5:33pm

They spent a purported $300 million on this film pre-marketing, so they can probably afford some period set dressing 😎

Sad Professor · 24-11-2021 7:38pm

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I feel like every Bond film for last 30 years with the exception of CR and QoS was an attempt to find a middle ground. The problem is that every director's definition of that middle ground is different, vastly so in some cases. I think I'd rather they decided on a serious or silly tone and stuck with it.

magic_murph · 26-11-2021 10:49am

Going to call it now.

Ryan Reynolds to be the next bond and play a total slap stick version. Deadpool in a tux basically.

It would be horrendous.

eviltimeban · 26-11-2021 2:58pm

I don't get the calls for a period Bond piece. As stated above, they already exist. And they wouldn't resonate as much with modern audiences as modern-set ones.

I think Skyfall's success was based on it's "close to home" premise, i.e. the London and Scotland scenes. OK, he was in China and wherever he was at the start, but most of the action was at home. That's what I liked most about it. Every time since when I took the Tube I couldn't help think of the movie (only you can't slide down the escalators - they have barriers) :-)

pixelburp · 26-11-2021 3:11pm

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I think the Period spitball is in trying to figure out where the series could go now, as in some ways Bond has backed itself into a corner somewhat with NttD's definitive ending. Nostalgia's very "in" at the moment, classic fashions, aesthetics n all that, so something that just ran headlong into a romantic version of the past might work.

That was my own theory of where they might go for the longest while; lately though, I've remembered the Bond franchise tends to (shamelessly?) crib whatever's the style at the time, rather than forge its own identity. With that in mind: where do the popular tones sit these days?

Maybe they'll lean into the big, ludicrous excess seen with Fast & Furious - but we kinda saw that already with the Moore era; perhaps they'll go full Sci-Fi Fantasy ala the MCU? Jason Bourne has been and gone so we're unlikely to get another gruff, brutish version of Bond.

My own current theory I might put money on would be James Bond: John Wick clone. So they'll keep the relatively low-tech approach of Casino Royale, maybe even the stakes kept street-level, then really lean into the mixture of Secret Societies (MGM got the rights to SPECTRE again, so there's that piece of the puzzle), and elongated takes of deeply visceral, tiring hand-to-hand combat.

FunLover18 · 26-11-2021 3:59pm

Nostalgia for the 80s is so hot right now, an era Bond isnt really associated with despite the cult popularity of Dalton's era so maybe they should try cash in on that.

Being sarcastic btw.

loyatemu · 26-11-2021 5:22pm

set it in the future - MI6 clones Bond from strands of charred hair recovered from the destroyed island, in order to battle against a evil Elon Musk type threatening the Earth from his base on Mars. The clone immediately goes rogue.

conorhal · 28-11-2021 3:41pm

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I have a preference for a period Bond for one very simple reason, Cold War era spy thrillers are full of fun spycraft, honey-traps and a battle of wits between agencies. Modern spy movies are full of people staring at computer screens muttering about retargeting satellites and drones or 'improbably hacking' every non IP security camera in an area to track targets, and very, very dull and charmless.

B.A._Baracus · 28-11-2021 9:53pm

Problem with a period Bond piece is that as time goes by to make the movies the time setting would have to change.

Take Daniel Craig and his movies. If Casino Royale was set in 1962. No Time to Die would have been set in 1977. Now your past your 60s setting that you started out with.

Wedwood · 30-11-2021 12:31am

I liken No Time To Die to Stallone’s Rocky Balboa, in that both movies were primarily commissioned to redeem the previous poor finales. (Indiana Jones 5 is another one on the way).

Spectre was supposed to be the finale for Craig, with Bond walking away from MI6 and getting the girl, only they botched the entire movie. Given they couldn’t have the same ending this time around, we got the one we did. To suggest that was always the plan (as Craig contends) is nonsense.

Its difficult to see where they go from here with the Bond character that’s original. Connery/Lazenby had the Cold War, Moore/Dalton had Detente, Brosnan was post Cold War and Craig did the reboot/origin story.

~Rebel~ · 30-11-2021 1:08am

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I think that's a positive more than a negative to be honest, as it adds an extra layer of evolution to the storytelling. You see the character and the agency adapting to real world events at the time.

I saw some people mentioning that we already have 'period' Bonds in the form of the original Connery and Moore movies - but that's not really true. There's a big difference between a story that was told as a contemporary piece and then simply aged, and a film that is intentionally a period piece. With a period piece you're telling a story with the benefit of hindsight, and you're picking what parts of the politics and culture of the time that you want to explore, particularly in how they resonate today. It's just a different thing entirely.

With a period version of Bond, the ideal solution would be for them to plan a 4 or 5 movie run from the start, picking the broader subjects they want to cover, so you can touch upon them over the series (could do a big arc again, or could go with standalone movies but with certain themes in mind for the series). Then you dip into that world every 2 years, and see how things have evolved based on real world events over that time period, and the improvements in tech, the changing attitudes etc. Like how Mad Men did it.

Dades · 30-11-2021 6:33pm

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How cool would that be.

Late 60s Bond culminating in the 80s. 😎

AllForIt · 26-12-2021 12:52pm

Can't really say I liked much about this film.

The DNA weapon seemed a bit too sci-fi for James Bond. Reminded me of this from Star Trek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jwHJOU0J0s

Malek's Safin character was a too wooden and was as bad as my impersonation of a typical bond baddie.

Way too long (because it wasn't engaging).

I thought Spectre was better, which I took to the second time I watched it. Was prolly expecting too much the first time after Skyfall.

So we got our black female 007 at last :)

fryup · 05-01-2022 11:18am

if they do return with a new Bond, they'll have to wipe the slate clean with a new M, Q, Moneypenny etc

a complete departure from the Daniel Craig era

McFly85 · 05-01-2022 12:46pm

50s/60s Bond could be fun, and you could actually do something new with the character in there by involving him at the beginning of Cold War espionage.

For all his films he’s never been a spy really, more an agent specialising in the removal of megalomaniacal supervillains.

The real trick would be to have the film rooted in espionage but keeping it relatively light hearted.

awec · 05-01-2022 11:58pm

Watched this last night and was unbelievably disappointed. It was like a pre-Craig Bond to me, goofy and cheesy. Too many attempts at humour that were misplaced IMO. I liked the grittier, less cheesy direction it had gone but this was a u-turn.

I also felt Craig looked old in it, but in a immersion-breaking way. He looked aged, but it also looked like they were trying to hide the fact he had aged and it didn't work for me. Some of the action scenes were appalling, e.g. the fight on the boat I am guessing they shot it in slow motion and then sped it up, but it was completely over-done and stupid looking.

Remi Malek's character was terrible.

07-01-2022 5:22am

Daniel Craig said recently not to worry James Bond will be back when some criticised that JB died. I think this could mean the next James Bond won't be a reboot, but will be the next 'James Bond' to take over from the agent that died, like James Bond is transferable as 007.

That way they can keep the other actors, and go in lots of new directions. Would possibly change the other JB iterations as successors rather than reboot. They could even go all DR Who and bring Pierce and Timothy back for Cameos. 😃

~Rebel~ · 07-01-2022 12:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118431250#Comment_118431250

That had been a thought before alright, until Skyfall firmly cemented that Craig’s character actually was named James Bond, son of Andrew and Monique Bond.

The character will be back anyway (the credits after NTTD said as much), but I do reckon it can only be with a total reboot in a few years.

07-01-2022 12:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432233#Comment_118432233

Maybe they'll call his successor James Bond as an honorific. Daniel Craig's character was the original... would rule out the Dr Who scenario though

10000maniacs · 07-01-2022 5:43pm

They could go down the bionic man/ Robocop route "He survived but needs extensive facial plastic surgery". Enter Tom Hardy.

yourdeadwright · 07-01-2022 6:12pm

New Bond will be a new everything a complete reboot as it should be,

Really enjoyed Craig as the character, he will be hard to follow

BruteStock · 08-01-2022 5:18pm

Art house James Bond. I thought it was going to suck but I really enjoyed it actually, even if the last quarter was a bit too John Wick style shooty shooty for my taste.

08-01-2022 5:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118439615#Comment_118439615

That went on for ages, was a bit like a first person shooter game with your opponents firing A-Team bullets.

fryup · 23-01-2022 8:13pm

Looks like Idris Elba has got his foot in the door so to speak😐️

pixelburp · 23-01-2022 8:17pm

While I think he'd be a good choice, Elba seems to be a very busy man, with a lot of projects on the go at any one time. He mightn't want to be locked down into one franchise given the shoots + elongated press junkets demanded from Bond.

EltonJohn69 · 23-01-2022 8:20pm

Has to be Riz Ahmed

fryup · 23-01-2022 8:28pm

^^^ nah, too skinny

welsh actor Luke Evans would be a good choice if they want another white guy

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