Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

What on earth?

Ask them directly if they think there should be any restrictions :)

It would be impossible to get data on it since Valneva's trials are more recent than the currently available injections. But it stands to reason that a whole virus vaccine that creates antibodies and B- and T-cell immunity to the whole virus will give immunity that is more reminiscent of infection-acquired (whole virus) immunity than current vaccine-acquired (single protein) immunity. And since we know that infection-acquired immunity is far superior to current vaccine-acquired immunity and appears to be much longer lasting, I'm hopeful.

At the very least, if governments allow people who are hesitant of current vaccines to avail of Valneva's offering, it will likely result in a greater % of overall population being vaccinated.

You're under no obligation to also be hopeful.

Have a good day.

I wouldn't be interested in anything the CDC has to say on this matter. They are highly invested in getting people vaccinated, so the advice is always "well it doesn't really matter just get the jab" despite there being some evidence that getting jabbed after infection increases adverse vaccination reactions. Their vaccination aims preclude them from being able to accurately inform on infection-acquired immunity.

Strong protection for at least 10 months (the longest anyone's been checked in the studies cited in this article) seems to be about right, for now, with some hope that immunity will end up being similar to that of SARS-CoV, where people still have immunity 17 years after infection.

The Science article was good, btw. Thanks.

Heading out for the day. Peace.

The vaccinated just can't seem to help themselves but to spread Covid all over. They need to be reined in. 😂

If anybody over 18 who needs intensive care and refused to get vaccinated earlier this year should be de-prioritised over people who got the jabs and are in a similar situation given the lack of hospital beds currently.

Everyone who expresses this opinion should be jailed for the good of society.

I've just returned from the North Pole. I was liaising with Santa Claus (I'm part-elf).

Santie was going to leave a lump of coal for the unvaccinated but that plan has changed since we remembered that coal is climate-unfriendly.

Instead the unvaccinated will get empty stockings on Christmas morning.

For the love of god who reads the bloody Liberal

We're not currently anywhere near a situation where that would be required.

Strong source there tbh

Wouldn't be surprised if it happens

It's not a strong source.

Why don't you ask him for odds?

Why are you ignoring Sinopharm/Vac and the whole inactivated virus vaccine they use?

CoronaVac - Wikipedia

In Ireland we don't deny healthcare to anyone regardless how they got themselves into the situation (transplants is the only area this comes up with both health and age discrimination in effect).

Singapore have started charging the unvaccinated, so they get the treatment but have to pay for it.

Other countries with low vaccine take up are going the mandatory route.

Our 92% adult level should mean we don't have to, boosters will handle the vulnerable.

However, as long as the unvaccinated are making up more than 8% of the adult beds in hospital and ICU, there should be restrictions around them, when that number hits 1:1 (maybe even 2:1 as it is in the UK for some age groups), then the COVID cert restrictions won't serve any use at all and can be dropped. It's highly unlikely we'll make large inroads into that 8%, I'm betting that if Austria hit 92%+, they'll likely drop the mandate as well.

I don't see the COVID cert including booster data except for international travel or if they mark people as vulnerable with it, we won't see booster take up go beyond 50-60% (and won't see <11 year old go higher than 50% either). This is all my opinion, I am prepared to be wrong about it.