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Austria hits panic button.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,705 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Well the UK has been open for a while now...is it happening again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    It's killiing about a thousand people a week at present, with c. 70% of adults vaccinated and some lockdown measures still in place, and we are about to head into the winter when hospitals are usually stretched without a pandemic. So not an ideal situation right now, some would argue.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I am not an 'anti-vaxxer', I am not against ensuring the public health collectively, I am against conditioning and fear mongering and blind acceptance of proven corrupt institutions.

    FFS 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    There will be plenty of anti-vaxxers clogging up hospital beds and resources.

    Which is all well and good until those resources and beds are diverted from what was scheduled to be your, or your family member's medical procedure they have been waiting on for months.

    We are heading into our own lockdown based on a surge in the virus which has been driven by unvaccinated (along with **** who won't make a tiny effort).

    Anyone who supports the anti-vaxxers is obviously pro-lockdown. Lockdown is an inevitable consequence of **** not doing their bit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Vaccinated people can carry, transmit and succumb to the virus. There is a belief that vaccinated people will be less likely to be hospatilised or that their hospitalisation will be shorter than an unvaccinated person than a vaccinated and therefore less of a drain on the health system - this has not, and cannot be proven.


    Eh......it is one thing that can be easily proven. Unvaccinated people make up 50% of covid ICU admissions despite being only 8% of the adult population. Take 100 people. Vaccinate 92 of them. 2 end up in ICU. One of these is from the unvaccinated. (i.e. a 1-in-8 chance). One is from the vaccinated (i.e. a 1-in-92 chance)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,705 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    And if you've been looking at the numbers from places that keep such stats, this doesn't last long. Vaccinated people start to make up bigger percentages until they are the vast majority in all metrics- Cases, hospitalisations and deaths. The data from the UK shows that the case rate per 100,000 is higher in vaccinated people in all age groups over 18. In Scotland vaccinated people made up 88% of cases and 77% of hospitalisations (with a 72% Vaccination rate). You can only blame the unvaccinated for so long before it should become obvious that the vaccines aren't all they were hyped up to be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    The HSE and government are being deliberately vague when they talk about the unvaccinated numbers in icu. The over 50% figure that everyone apparently loves to spin out in each argument in calculated from the total admissions to icu since early this year...when very few of the population were vaccinated...so of course that skews the figures.

    If the government and HSE want to be transparent and really earn all the people's trust. show us the actual figures from this week alone...or last week...or even just for the month of November. I don't understand why they are not being called out on this. Does nobody sit back anymore and ask themselves "what if?"



  • Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone who supports the anti-vaxxers is obviously pro-lockdown.


    Lockdown is an inevitable consequence of **** not doing their bit

    Ironically many of the anti-vax crowd seem to be somehow also anti-lockdown - a major brain contradiction disconnect that they don't get somehow.

    And just love the self-righteous lecture on freedom of choice from the same people.

    Now, what about the freedom of choice for people whose access to hospitals is restricted due to the overwhelming number of unvaccinated COVID patients? 

    What about the nurses and doctors who have been, ironically, forced to take care of these types of people at the expense of their own health? 

    What about the rest of society that now has to restrict or cautiously go about their daily lives so as to accommodate the unvaccinated as a means of protecting themselves and their families? 

    They advocate for the right to choose what you do with your own body, right? 

    So if I don’t want to get COVID, is that my right, or does this only apply to vaccinations?

    “freedom of choice” does not exist in a vacuum.

    The existence of the antivaxxer freedom of choice directly affects thousands of others’ freedom of choice. 

    And when we’re talking about which freedom should prevail on a society-wide scale, well we need to base that on evidence, not self-indulgent scepticism and conspiratorial speculation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Interesting thesis you have there. It appears you believe that vaccination increases your chance of getting covid and ending up in ICU..............



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I have to stop you there. They release a week update and people with calculators can subtract one week from the next to get the most recent week stats.

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    There's 2 reports, April to Sept, and April to November. Subtract the 2 and:

    185 admissions and 99 of which were unvaccinated (53.5%)

    That 53.5% of ICU admissions unvaccinated between 25th Sept and 6th November. Nothing to do with April, May, June, July etc....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Shhhhhh. G'way outta that with your actual facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Sorry, they are probably classified documents according to some.

    Id say that document is doing the rounds on facebook with absolutely no mention of the second one to show a current week and the suckers suck it up like gospel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,705 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    No. I'm just saying what the stats from the UK show. Not sure what to make of it. And the gap is widening.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    If you don't know what to make of it, means you don't have a clue what it means. So why post it (apart from trying to push an agenda)

    Is that rates per 100,000 vaccinated or per 100,000 population? you obviously know as you posted it.

    Whats the black bars, whats the white bars?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You are looking at rates of cases per 100k. Not rates of people being hospitalised and ending up in ICU. If you catch covid and spend your 10 days with a sniffle isolating in your room, that has very little direct impact on the health services.


    What will drive us into a lockdown is pressure on the hospitals. That is what really matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭air


    You do realise that those scenes came about primarily due to medical mismanagement in Lombardy - primarily due to their practice of packing patients with mild illness together into wards when they had no business being there. The neighbouring region of Piedmont had a similar rate of cases at the same time and had a fraction of the deaths because they didn't make this mistake.

    This is also why those scenes weren't repeated anywhere else in Europe since, the cock up was recognised and learned from.

    None the less that clip has been a huge driver of the hysteria since the start and continues to be by the looks of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭air


    They were reporting it weekly until it rose to 70% vaccinated in ICU, presumably it is higher now so it's not being mentioned. Belgium hit 100% vaccinated in ICU a few weeks ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭Curse These Metal Hands


    Why do anti vaxxers keep comparing their situation to the plight of the Jews in Nazi Germany? Disgusting and stupid in equal measure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭Harika


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    That's a great visual representation of how this 50/50 split works.


    And for the vaccine effectiveness. Did you know that 99% of football goals are scored while a goal keeper is in the box? Would you suggest that a goal keeper is not effective?



  • Posts: 389 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are so brainwashed you have absolutely no chance.



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  • Posts: 389 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have had it and recovered.

    People die, it's a part of life. We don't stop driving cars or flying for fear of a crash do we.

    Giving governments that kind of power is not going to end well for anybody vaccinated or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Perhaps because the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany was brought in so gradually it wasn’t very noticeable at the beginning.

    Interesting that Goebbels referred to Jews as ‘unclean’ and a ‘virus’.

    on the subject of ‘anti vaxxers’ - are those who are vaccinated but oppose what will be perpetual boosters now ‘anti vaxxers’?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,745 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Jews couldn't go and get an injection to make everything okay again, the power was completely out of their hands and in no way are the situations compatible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    But taking ‘an injection’ in 2021 did NOT make everything ok again.

    All the talk during summer ‘21 was about gettin everyone vaccinated ASAP so we can our ‘freedom back’ - oh yeah! 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭Harika


    Austria was on the way to complete the vaccination requirements until the chancellor declared covid defeated for election purposes. People stopped getting vaccinated and now it's in the ditch

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    Ireland has higher immunization and less deaths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    If you still believe that everything will go back to normal if everyone gets vaccinated then you must still believe in the tooth fairy,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,362 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    It's the one example of scapegoating a group of people and loading them down with social and legal disadvantages that everyone knows about even if they didn't study a lot of history. So it's an analogy they reach for.

    That it hasn't yet led to violence doesn't mean people are going to a dismiss it with a yawn.

    If you take something more comparable, like the Soviet Union forcing Lech Walesa from his job as an electrician to get him to cease his political activities, its still in the realm of a dictatorship handing out ultimatums.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭Harika


    Missing context.

    Vaccinated average age 83

    Unvaccinated 32

    Would the unvaccinated clogging up the ICU if they were vaccinated?



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