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Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) **Mod warnings in OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭josip


    If the monitors are easily blown off shelves, can they be selotaped / bluetacked / screwed / weighted down ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,162 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    That's horse sh1t, so far the vast majority of people have behaved very well and done what was asked of them. I never said that kids should be test as close contacts, just that their families be informed. For the record my mother is not a hypothetical vulnerable person she's only only 77 but has had Parkinson's for 20 years, has cares coming in every day to make sure she's OK and i visit every weekend my sister mid week. If we are told that there was case we can stay away for week and ask a family friend or neighbor to check in on her and make sure she has everything. Simple stuff nothing that is going you keep you from going to the pub.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,162 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Speaking as a parent I'd say just leave anyway, tell the Principle to like it or lump it. What will they do to you, they can't fire you they give you negative review you refuse to sign it and get the union involved. If the principle doesn't show up for work tomorrow nobody will really care, if a teacher doesn't every parent will know and the principle will have to find cover. The balance of power is definitely with the teacher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30


    I dont drink alcohol and havent been to a pub for years. So get tour kids tested weekly and stay away if synptoms. Your mother is vulnerable to all viral infections. And i assume she is vaccinated so the risl of her getting a severe infection is low.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭hesaidshesaid


    ‘I don’t work in a school but I know everything that’s worth knowing about schools, about the practical reality of Covid measures in schools and about teachers’ attitudes to their jobs.’

    It must be a privilege to be such a font of knowledge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭the corpo


    https://twitter.com/MallowNews/status/1460942007610793994?s=20


    “Imagine how dangerous it would be of a group of small children were allowed to co-mingle in a small unventilated room?” Norma Foley advises parents against holding birthday parties



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30


    Lots of chat about remote learning today in my childrens schools, by teachers to parents



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭DSN


    Teachers to parents really? When do teachers get to talk to parents these days? We not allowed near teachers at pick up never mind have a gossipy chat with them!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30


    Ours speak to us every day at collection, principal, vice principal and HSLO also have daily interactions with us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭DSN


    Wow they greet you at gate & speculate re school closures? Not very professional!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30


    They have conversations with us, about out children and about school in general. And yes, today they were making sure we were all set up for remote learning and the reasons why it was important to get it set up now.

    Why would this be unprofessional? Not like they were discussing the terrible ride they got after coppers...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Given the sub shortage and the new requirement to restrict movements if there is a household case they are more than likely getting organised in case a class has to close as opposed to wide-scale school closures ala lockdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    i can see schools shut after xmas for a month or 6 weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭History Queen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    why do you think numbers will drop by much before then? i think we could see full lockdown for a month of january. could this be done every novermeber, december and january from now on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Don't think that will happen, vaccine has reduced incidence of severe illness relative to case numbers. You might see certain sectors have reduced capacity, opening hours again but I don't think schools will close again unless a vaccine-resistant strain emerges which is hopefully unlikely.

    Delta so good at spreading other varients not getting a chance so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Teacher2020


    I really hope not. It would be a disaster for all involved for schools to close.

    Contact tracing needs to come back to schools though. Not in the severe way it was last year but measures need to be brought in for schools experiencing an outbreak. We currently are in the middle of an outbreak and we have been told to do nothing. We have been told that we are not allowed to inform parents that Covid is even in the school. That is the job of public health and they have decided that there is no need to act currently. IMO the following needs to happen at primary:

    • Kids mask wearing for 2 weeks following a confirmed case in a class. 5 mins mask break outside as needed.
    • Antigen testing being used on days 3, 7 and 14 following a confirmed case.
    • Eating lunches outside as much as the weather allows - in the school hall otherwise where social distancing is more achievable.
    • A fogger provided for every school for disinfecting of classrooms between breaks.
    • Parents informed to be extra vigilant on symptoms.

    The measures are not ideal and we would prefer not to have to implement them. Sitting back and doing nothing while Covid rips through the school doesn't seem right either though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,162 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Do you have HEPA filters in class yet or are you relying on opening the windows. Noting is stopping you from telling parents of a case, "guide lines" aren't laws and what will they do to you, there is a shortage of teachers, tell the boards of management to back you and do whatever feels right.

    Schools went out a message to watch out for kids puking and then testing positive no other symptoms thankfully have you seen that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    If by telling parents it is identifiable which child has Covid then that would be a data protection breach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,162 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    I work with somebody who had TB, the HSE contacted the company, we meet with them and HR no name was mentioned we all knew who it was, We all had to get tested, sometimes it has to happen and on the scale of things it's 1 out of 10 so get over it get on with it and do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The HSE was involved in that example and they would have a legal basis for doing what they did on the basis of public health. A teacher should not divulge this information especially where they have been told not to and that it is the job of public health. Leaving themselves wide open for a GDPR breach.

    We currently are in the middle of an outbreak and we have been told to do nothing. We have been told that we are not allowed to inform parents that Covid is even in the school. That is the job of public health and they have decided that there is no need to act currently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,162 ✭✭✭spaceHopper



    I don't give a rats ass if its xyz's job to do it, if it needs to happen and it's not then somebody else should step in. As far a GDPR breaches of it's tiny, "a child in you child's class tested positive please be vigilant". Companies do much worse all the time and nothing ever happens to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    The pincipal in my sons school emeiled us last week to say that two kids in his class tested positive and to be vigilent and to please get our son tested if we notice any symptoms.

    Also to please share any positive results with her so she can keep other parents informed without sharing personal information.

    Seemed like a sensible way to go about things, why they should not do that is beyond me.

    Funny thing is i asked my son who has covid in his class and he rattled out the names!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Daughter sent home today as school don't have enough teachers to teach the class. That's the second time now within the week. Situation is getting farcical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭solerina


    Ring Norma, she is a teacher and isnt doing anything these days, she should be available, I know she is PP but better than no one 😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,660 ✭✭✭tscul32


    Our cub scouts had a positive case who had been at a meeting. They were told by the HSE that they were to do nothing. The advice was (at the time) still that they should be tested if they show symptoms whether they're close contacts.

    My own son got it in school. Turns out there was another child with it a few days earlier but noone was told. I don't know if the school were even told. I let the parents of his table mates know.

    As for measures like eating in the hall, unfortunately we have 1 hall for 1200 students so that wouldn't work for us. Nor cleaning classrooms during short breaks with one fogger as there are just too many rooms.

    But the staff shortages are the biggest problems, both teachers and SNAs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    French Prime Minister Jean Castex tested positive today, caught it from his 11 year old daughter who caught it at school.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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