Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) **Mod warnings in OP**

1262729313254

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    why do you think numbers will drop by much before then? i think we could see full lockdown for a month of january. could this be done every novermeber, december and january from now on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Don't think that will happen, vaccine has reduced incidence of severe illness relative to case numbers. You might see certain sectors have reduced capacity, opening hours again but I don't think schools will close again unless a vaccine-resistant strain emerges which is hopefully unlikely.

    Delta so good at spreading other varients not getting a chance so far.



  • Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭Teacher2020


    I really hope not. It would be a disaster for all involved for schools to close.

    Contact tracing needs to come back to schools though. Not in the severe way it was last year but measures need to be brought in for schools experiencing an outbreak. We currently are in the middle of an outbreak and we have been told to do nothing. We have been told that we are not allowed to inform parents that Covid is even in the school. That is the job of public health and they have decided that there is no need to act currently. IMO the following needs to happen at primary:

    • Kids mask wearing for 2 weeks following a confirmed case in a class. 5 mins mask break outside as needed.
    • Antigen testing being used on days 3, 7 and 14 following a confirmed case.
    • Eating lunches outside as much as the weather allows - in the school hall otherwise where social distancing is more achievable.
    • A fogger provided for every school for disinfecting of classrooms between breaks.
    • Parents informed to be extra vigilant on symptoms.

    The measures are not ideal and we would prefer not to have to implement them. Sitting back and doing nothing while Covid rips through the school doesn't seem right either though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Do you have HEPA filters in class yet or are you relying on opening the windows. Noting is stopping you from telling parents of a case, "guide lines" aren't laws and what will they do to you, there is a shortage of teachers, tell the boards of management to back you and do whatever feels right.

    Schools went out a message to watch out for kids puking and then testing positive no other symptoms thankfully have you seen that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    If by telling parents it is identifiable which child has Covid then that would be a data protection breach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    I work with somebody who had TB, the HSE contacted the company, we meet with them and HR no name was mentioned we all knew who it was, We all had to get tested, sometimes it has to happen and on the scale of things it's 1 out of 10 so get over it get on with it and do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The HSE was involved in that example and they would have a legal basis for doing what they did on the basis of public health. A teacher should not divulge this information especially where they have been told not to and that it is the job of public health. Leaving themselves wide open for a GDPR breach.

    We currently are in the middle of an outbreak and we have been told to do nothing. We have been told that we are not allowed to inform parents that Covid is even in the school. That is the job of public health and they have decided that there is no need to act currently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭spaceHopper



    I don't give a rats ass if its xyz's job to do it, if it needs to happen and it's not then somebody else should step in. As far a GDPR breaches of it's tiny, "a child in you child's class tested positive please be vigilant". Companies do much worse all the time and nothing ever happens to them.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    The pincipal in my sons school emeiled us last week to say that two kids in his class tested positive and to be vigilent and to please get our son tested if we notice any symptoms.

    Also to please share any positive results with her so she can keep other parents informed without sharing personal information.

    Seemed like a sensible way to go about things, why they should not do that is beyond me.

    Funny thing is i asked my son who has covid in his class and he rattled out the names!

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Daughter sent home today as school don't have enough teachers to teach the class. That's the second time now within the week. Situation is getting farcical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭solerina


    Ring Norma, she is a teacher and isnt doing anything these days, she should be available, I know she is PP but better than no one 😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭tscul32


    Our cub scouts had a positive case who had been at a meeting. They were told by the HSE that they were to do nothing. The advice was (at the time) still that they should be tested if they show symptoms whether they're close contacts.

    My own son got it in school. Turns out there was another child with it a few days earlier but noone was told. I don't know if the school were even told. I let the parents of his table mates know.

    As for measures like eating in the hall, unfortunately we have 1 hall for 1200 students so that wouldn't work for us. Nor cleaning classrooms during short breaks with one fogger as there are just too many rooms.

    But the staff shortages are the biggest problems, both teachers and SNAs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,773 ✭✭✭brickster69


    French Prime Minister Jean Castex tested positive today, caught it from his 11 year old daughter who caught it at school.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    A parent in the GAA whatsapp informed us at the weekend, his child had a positive antigen that afternoon and was scheduled for PCR.Good of him to let people know.

    Our school sends out headlice alerts saying they have been notified of a case at the Senior or Junior end of the school.Similar could be done for covid but just confined to a class group.Just anonymous; "please be aware that a covid case has been identified in your child's class.Please be vigilant" or similar.Be no harm and easily done.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Headlice is a notifiable disease in a school setting. This comes from PH. From the outset PH has been clear that covid is not a notifiable disease in the school setting ie schools were not to inform parents or even staff in the class where there was a case. Procedure was schools were to inform PH of a case and PH would decide what was to be done. Even though contact tracing stopped in schools informing the school community was still not allowed. It is only in the last week or two that it has now changed to IF a parent informs the school re covid then the school can inform the class parents once the child is not identified. It took nearly 2 years of school staff asking why covid was not a notifiable disease , some schools informing class groups anyhow , an increase in infection among primary school children , a sub crises and subsequent media questions re covid in schools to get that much.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Ultimately the hope will be that parents continue to keep their kids at home if they show any symptoms. Thats the line of defense right now. I am just not so sure. We all know that parents regularly send their kids to school sick. Add to that and im still hearing parents going ahead with indoor birthday parties at play centers. The mind boggles.

    My kids are vaccinated and we are doing all we can at home still, no friends in our home, activities are all outside. Ill be pretty pissed off to see my kids impacted because of the selfishness of others.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 beababelle


    My son (11 yrs, 5th class) has been sent home because of a headache and sore throat. His temperature is normal. I can't get a PCR test anywhere (even tried neighbouring counties!). What are we supposed to do now? (I might add, there's not a loss on him!!!). I have a pack of antigen tests but apparently they are only to be used on people with no symptoms at all.

    any suggestions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Have you tried for a test via your GP? Think they get an allocation to register per day. Worth refreshing the page too, cancellations do pop up every few minutes, but you have to be lightning fast!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    If it was me, I would do the Antigen Test anyway. See the result of that.

    I would also phone your GP as I heard on the radio that a certain percentage of appointments are reserved for GP referrals.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,642 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Yes call your gp. They can get slots. And do the antigen test anyway.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    CO2 monitors are shared, there aren't enough for each classroom, which Norma likes to ignore. They do nothing to purify the air. They are essentially like smoke alarms, warn you of a situation but don't do anything to fix it. Up to a few days ago, it was unseasonably warm, expect lots of cold students from now on, even with their coats on in class.

    Why doesn't Norma just supply every classroom (special ed. classrooms included) with HEPA filters? There are 7 teachers out in one local school, 9 in another. There are NO subs to be had. And the biggest joke of all, an inspector was to call to the school with 7 teachers out today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Read someone say c02 monitor is like going on a rollercoaster with no seat belt on, you get a glimpse of the speed limit as you plummet over the edge!



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Teachers ( like me) have resorted to buying our own HEPA filters out of our own pockets. And schools have been threatened by the HSE that telling parents of cases in a class is a breach of GDPR which is actually quite a big deal.

    No sign of Josepha these days, since she and Norma gave the go ahead for special ed. teachers to be used as subs in mainstream classes. once again children with the greatest needs are getting the dirty end of the stick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭spaceHopper



    if you breach GDPR, what can they do to you? Or the school. It wouldn't even be slap on the wrist. Tell them to F-Off. I've had my personal details leaked by Paddy Power, LinkedIn, and lately Fastway who had a customer database on a server exposed to the internet with no password and nothing happened to them. Teachers provide an essential service and there is a shortage of them. You should be getting on to you union and asking for vote to strike of proper air handling isn't in the class by Jan 1st. My kids teacher is back from two weeks sick leave, don't know if it was covid but she looks like death warmed up today and she's young.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    When people say call your GP..... I call my GP and there is no available slot for 2 days to talk to the GP.There are no other surgeries, they are all full and won't register new patients (believe me I have tried).So what then?I was only thinking this earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,642 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I just don’t know. We are very lucky with our gp. He always seems to return calls.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Inspector today to our Covid hit school said she understood how hard it was for us. (!!) Then went on her merry way at 12pm. Nice job if you can get it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Us too. If I call in the morning, he returns calls between 12.30pm - 1pm. If I call after 12.30pm, he returns calls between 5.30pm - 6pm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Definitely keep refreshing the booking page. Just managed to nab a test for tomorrow, and saw about 50 pop up at citywest, gone in seconds



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    They always were great for mine, but the last two winters have been a disaster.There is huge population growth in all of our surrounding area and the GPs are all full.



  • Registered Users Posts: 410 ✭✭Icantthinkof1


    Regarding the antigen tests I wouldn’t be too confident now either that that’s the way forward in schools. My daughter in primary school tested positive via pcr and we gave her an antigen test the same day we got confirmation of her positive test and it returned a negative result on the antigen

    She was asymptomatic thankfully

    ETA she was a confirmed close contact which is why she received a pcr test

    So had we not been informed she was a close contact or we had given her an antigen test she would have been in class while she was infectious



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭tscul32


    Your daughter may have had covid a while ago as opposed to right now, especially if she's asymptomatic. Antigen tests have different criteria to the PCR tests. If I did an antigen one right now it would be -ve but a PCR would more than likely be +ve, because I had covid last month (which my 9 yr old brought home from school!!). That's why they give you a covid recovery cert, if you're travelling or doing something that needs a PCR test it would likely still be +ve up to 6 mths later. So you get a recovery cert that's valid for 6 mths.



  • Registered Users Posts: 410 ✭✭Icantthinkof1


    Not the case- she tested positive on her day 10 test she was also tested on day 6 and it was negative (both pcr tests)

    I get what you’re saying though and yes that could explain some positive confirmed pcrs showing negative results on antigen tests



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭appledrop


    We got notification today of outbreak of chickenpox in class so we can keep an eye and watch out for symptoms.

    Makes total sense, but yet the school is not allowed notify us of a case of Covid in the class?

    It's a disgrace, not schools fault but government hiding behind GDPR nonsense but OK if its headlice or chicken pox for parents to be informed.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Can be positive for 6 months, not will. Most will test negative on pcr within a short period of time. PCR will detect for longer than antigen though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭tscul32


    Yeah, fully agree, just wondering when there are lots of comments about antigens not being great because there are lots being neg then pcr pos. Especially in asymptomatic cases. I personally think if they were to do antibody tests on a full class in a primary school that a lot more would be shown to have had covid than were ever tested. It's absolutely ripping through the "safe" schools.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    DH flagged as a close contact (outside event) and also son. Both are vaccinated. HSE asked some questions and based on answers given are sending out antigen tests. We had some here so they both took an antigen test and are negative. HSE guidance was to carry on as normal. Maybe its just me but I cant keep up with the advice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    To be honest most people i know have stopped listening as it's too confusing.



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    And wouldn't the teacher haters only love a strike? No, time for parents to pile on the pressure. I'm sick of being attacked as lazy and not caring about children by many sectors of the public.



  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭orecir


    It's great to see the media and opposition ranking up the pressure on Foley and NPHET over the schools. The conditions teachers and students have to work in is vile and disgusting.


    The incompetence is staggering.


    Would love to know if other European counties are using open doors and windows as their main defence against covid in schools.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Ronan Glynn's school comments yesterday are exactly why the likes of himself, and Holohan and Nolan should be told to stay away from media.

    They are all over the place with messages that are all over the place.They should be told to stick to the day job and let the Government give the messages.

    Glynn cannot win and he went down a completely ridiculous rabbit hole.Schools were never safe, most parents knew that but we also knew kids have to go.We also know covid has been circulating through them for weeks now...but kids still go.Glynn is getting tangled up in semantics and has already lost the argument. It's a pity in a way, because he is actually a better messenger than Holohan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    I wasn't attacking teachers. Where did you get that from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If schools are not safe then why did Holohan say that children are more likely to get the virus at home or in the community?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I haven't a clue.If you're implying that I have said schools aren't safe, therefore I think children can only get it in schools, that's obviously not correct.

    I suspect Holohan means exactly that - they are more likely to get it outside schools, but that is not to say they cannot catch it inside schools.

    It's a totally pointless argument at this stage anyway, covid is just everywhere.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 324 ✭✭paulocon2


    Quick query that might settle a discussion I had with a someone today...

    If someone in a house is sympthomatic and booked in for a test but isn't a contact of a positive case, what are the requirements of the other people in the house, particularly school going children (all fully vaccinated)?

    Common sense would tell me to keep the children at home until test results come through (and then back to normal or isolation depending on positive/negative).



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    NPHET recommending Masks from 3rd Class upwards

    http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1125/1263048-covid-19-ireland/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30


    Advise is if you think its covid keep siblings home.

    Do an antigen test, if its negative then you no longer think its covid so siblings can go to school.


    Id sooner my children catch covid than wear masks in schools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,642 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Me too tbh. My kids are too young to be affected by the recommendation but I just think it’s a horrible idea for primary kids.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Our youngest child (now in 6th Class) has been wearing Masks all the time inside the school building since the kids went back to school after the 1st Lockdown. Also in shops etc. No problem for her.



  • Advertisement
Advertisement