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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭Blut2


    We're nowhere near capacity. Our covid ICU usage has hovered between 70-100 beds for the last month. It was at 220 during the January 2021 peak, 300% higher, when we had fewer ICU beds in the country at the time. And your desperate hypothetical on having to deny people medical care still didn't happen then. Anyone presenting to a hospital still received treatment.

    The UK has never been anywhere near hospitals at full capacity. They deliberately kept some people in care homes rather than hospitals because as other posters have outlined in the last few pages of this very thread thats longstanding medical policy, for quality of life and disease spread issues. Again, the verified statistics on ICU capacity usage there are very clear and completely disagree with your interpretation. Nobody has ever, at any point in the corona crisis, been refused medical treatment in the UK due to hospitals being at capacity.

    How many posts and you're still desperately focusing on terrifying hypotheticals with no statistical basis in reality? You need to stop obsessing over covid numbers on the nightly news, get off the computer, and get out there and go back to normal life. It would do wonders for curing the fear and pessimism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    No problem with that once it's not connected to any covid cert. If people want a booster by all means make them available people deserve that choice but the march towards authoritarianism has to stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    I'm going to put this out there now that I will be a fully vaccinated person (J&J one shot) never opting for a booster.



  • Posts: 966 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Last year when we said the vaccines would be multiple and regular, it was dismissed as "conspiracy nonsense". Look where we are.

    Last year when we said vaccine passports would be introduced for travel at first, then later extended to wider areas of life as a form of coercion, it was dismissed as "conspiracy nonsense". Look where we are.

    You're complying/sleepwalking your way into an eventual social credit type system, which will be based around a centralized digital ID and "health pass" system. The "health pass" is already here. Australia and UK governments are discussing the Digital IDs. Proposal information is available on their official .gov websites. "Safety" and "convenience" is their reasoning, of course.

    The vaccine passport is the bridge to the new aforementioned system being built out. No boosters = no justification for continued vaccine passports. This is what we're concerned about, not Covid. We don't want a Chinese type system here, and neither should anyone else in Europe.

    I know, I know, "conspiracy nonsense", right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,334 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    The man who found time in the middle of a ‘deadly pandemic’ to appear in a plastic bubble on television just for a laugh 🙄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Of course it would but it's not a message anyone wants to hear so it would actually take some political balls to deliver it.

    If you told the over 60's, the obese and those with serious underlying conditions they had to restrict their movements, Covid would be an irrelevance.


    Instead we'll spend another 6 months playing covid-theatre and blaming scapegoats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭FoFo1254122


    I was at the county final yesterday in tipp, great game and not a mask in site and not even asked about a COVID cert

    went for chips and beers later in cashel, again no masks or certs asked for, great day had by all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    I was at a gig yesterday. Few pints before hand with friends. Certs checked going into pub. Guidelines adhered to inside.

    Certs checked at gig and masks on when moving from seat.

    Great day and night had by all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,831 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    it makes him feel warm and fuzzy that people he doesn't regard are being segregated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,800 ✭✭✭celt262




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  • Posts: 966 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Exactly the analogy I use when trying to explain to people. Why would you keep listening to supposed "experts" who tip losing horse after losing horse?

    How is it the so called "conspiracy theorists" have tipped so many "winners" thus far?

    The "experts" luck will soon turn, though, and we'll all be back to normal, right? Let's triple down and keep complying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    There was a very strong case for a vaccine in order to confer protection, booster benefits are pretty unclear and it's equally questionable whether some even need one.



  • Posts: 966 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I can imagine you leaving your house: "keys, wallet, QR code.." 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭FoFo1254122


    In tipp we do what we want when we want, we dont pay any heed to big knob heads in Dublin lecturing us like they are rulers

    i hope once again where tipp lead others will follow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Massive sunk cost fallacy going on, right the way from the politicians at the top who've saddled us with 10's of billions of debt down to the electorate who don't want to admit to themselves how pointless most of the nonsense they've indulged in over the last year and a half has actually been.


    Combine this with the so-called 'Covid-experts', the pharma-companies and media, who are all financially incentivized to keep hyping this up, and it's easy to see how we got here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    Can I just clarify, Luke O'Neill has no medical influence. He's not influencing medical professionals, medical advice. He's a rent a gob academic. I actually got annoyed when I say the headline in the Independent of him talking about ICUs when he doesnt know the first thing about ICUs (or hospitals for that matter). He is not a medical doctor. Much the same as Tomas Ryan, Aoife McLysaght etc. Dont confuse media commentary with actual medical advice or influence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    The influence O'Neill has on the media is incredible. I wonder how much he get's for every appearance on Newstalk he must be on every other day at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭bloopy


    we wanna be free, we wanna be free to do what we wanna do

    And we wanna get loaded and we wanna have a good time

    And that's what we're gonna do

    We're gonna have a good time, we're gonna have a party



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    Luke O Neil with a big smug grin planted across his face talks about how great it is that children can get vaxxed. He also talks for the nation as if they are sheep with no free will of their own.

    This is what he said last last July..

    Professor Luke O'Neill says we are closer to the end of the pandemic, and COVID-19 is now preventable.

    He says the vaccines have meant a decrease in transmission and infection.

    He told The Pat Kenny Show while variants may still crop up, things have changed.

    "This is now a preventable disease - that's the way to put it.

    "We can prevent COVID through vaccination, and we couldn't have said that six/nine months ago really

    "So now it's preventable: that means widespread vaccination will prevent COVID-19."


    Get that man off the airwaves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Mr rebel


    Thanks but I think you’re misunderstanding my post.

    He is already double vaccinated. The issue is having to constantly pay for a PCR test if he wants to have any sort of social life (bars, restaurants, theatres, etc). That simply isn’t sustainable at all. They might as well just introduce a blanket lockdown.

    But like Seamus said a few posts back, it seems to be just a recommendation for now and so hopefully it stays that way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭walus


    If the non-vaccinated are a tiny minority, how restricting their access to such things as gyms and hairdressers is supposed to make any difference?

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    There’ll be a big bad scary variant along soon to ‘encourage’ people to get the booster if they won’t do it willingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,806 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Why would he have to constantly pay for a PCR test to enter bars, restaurants theatres etc. if he is double vaccinated ?

    From looking at the new regulations in Austria, neither a negative PCR test or antigen test are now accepted for entry to any of those. Only a vaccination cert or proof of recovery from infection. You sure your friend is being honest with you on his vaccination status, because if he is, then I don`t see what his problem is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    I think its because of a higher chance of them ending up in icu.. something like 17 times higher (?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Over 100k of those unvaccinated are in the 12-15 age group, where I doubt that stat applies at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Martin's latest comments suggest we will not be copying Austria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Ah I get you yeah. I guess it's just a higher chance of them ending up in icu. Don't know the figure exactly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Went for a few pints yesterday afternoon, sat outside, no cert checked, no masks while drinking, staff were wearing them alright, only put one on myself to go in and take a slash

    Was nice



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    But he is watching closely with interest... Like the rest of the EU then!



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