Acceptable Covid death rates

ultimately an irrelevant and invalid argument to covid at it's peak.

we never shut down the country to prevent people from dieing from a stiff breze, we shut it down to prevent a ridiculous number of deaths, and protect the country and it's functions and systems from collapse.

but yes, people die, so lets remove all sorts of rules including health and safety, infection controls, sanitary, and just about everything that prevents death.

see how nonsensical the people die argument is? as true as it is as an argument against certain measures isn't going to cut the mustard.

Being housebound isn’t quite what I meant. You’re expecting that other people should be concerned with people in your circumstances, which is not unreasonable or unacceptable, but by that same token, you don’t appear to be willing to acknowledge that other people who aren’t in your circumstances may be taking personal responsibility for themselves in a way in which you disagree with -

That’s the whole point of questioning the cost vs benefits of lockdowns and isolation vs social gatherings and risk of spreading an infectious disease.

I have no doubt people are aware of others who are in similar circumstances to your own, but I don’t expect anyone should stop living their lives because it’s not safe for anyone right now. People will assess their own risk factors and determine what precautionary measures are reasonable, and what measures are unreasonable in their own circumstances.

It doesn’t mean they don’t care about other people, and I don’t expect they’ll be in any position to care for anyone else if they’re not taking care of themselves, both physically and mentally. I don’t know what’s going on in anyones life any more than you do, and I wouldn’t presume to think that they’re being inconsiderate of anyone else because they’re out to enjoy a night out, knowing there is a risk of them spreading an infectious disease. It’s a risk they’re prepared to take, they’re not maliciously intending to harm anyone else.

we are already back to normal and have been for weeks, well as normal as is possible.

the type of normality you want however isn't going to be deliverable for a while until the numties who are refusing to get the vaccine cause da gubament get the message.

and just so we are clear, i am well aware that there are people who can't get it for medical reasons or who like the op, it will not work for.

you can't just upgrade a health system, even some of the best health systems in the world were on the verge of collapse.

sink or swim time is unviable and won't be happening, hence us still having some very minimal restrictions.

Well, that’s assuming they all think like you do, which is unlikely given they’re not in your circumstances.

Expecting that other people should be considerate of your circumstances isn’t unreasonable, but there are people who go beyond that and don’t consider other peoples circumstances just because they see them out waiting in queues to enter nightclubs. That’s what I mean when I’m suggesting showing consideration for other people rather than imagining that they’re being inconsiderate.

yes, they almost did.

sweden's health system was on the verge of collapse and was about to do so but for the fact local authorities defied the government and implemented implemented local lockdownns.

the health system there had been ferrying patients to other countries to treat them as they had ran out of capacity for certain treatments.

as for brazil, it's a s//t show.

oh ffs! removing economic protections for both employers and employees significantly increases the likelihood of many business failures, particularly amongst the sme sectors, whereby most are employed. our economies are in an extremely vulnerable situation, we have no clue whats gonna happen in the near future, in regards our economic conditions, here in ireland, and globally, removing these measures is beyond dumb, some levels of protections should remain in place, until we have confidence to do so.....

Where did you acquire your telepathy?

This question of whether or not to start opening back up, would not even be a question if we were living in one of these over populated impoverished countries. (India, Brazil etc)

These countries never really had the option of locking everyone in their homes and giving them a PUP payment. And their hospitals were always going to be easily over run from the get-go. They just had to mitigate the spread as best as possible, and learn to struggle on with their lives. Like human beings always have.

But eventually we all have to do the same thing anyway, because this is not going away any time soon.

I was more thinking along the lines of people not observing social distancing and mask wearing measures, rather than the size of the queue or times spent waiting in it, let alone when they actually get indoors at some point, as those are the kinds of situations where people in your circumstances are actually at considerable risk and would be advised to avoid, or situations like crowded shopping centres, where there would be a higher volume of traffic and increased risk of being exposed to infection. Being immunocompromised places you at far greater risk than most people of all sorts of infections besides just Covid, and it would be unreasonable to expect everyone to adopt the kinds of measures I know are necessary in order to avoid infection.