Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

I`ll say one thing for these threads. The amount of gymnastics some go through attempting to pass a post off as logic never fails to amaze me.

You talk about logic and a control country to compare your logic too, then by this "logic" compare it to a country it has little in common with while ignoring it`s immediate neighbours does not hold much logic.

On those aged 65 and over : Sweden 20.1%. Finland 22.6%. Norway 17.5% Denmark 20.2%. Sweden Covid deaths adjusted for population 7 times greater than Finland, 8.7 times greater than Norway, 3.12 times greater than Denmark.

On excess deaths : During the peak periods of Covid April May and June 2020 and November 2020 December 2020 & January 2021.

Sweden April May and June. excess deaths +38.2%. +23.9%. +10.7%. Finland +8.1%, +5.6%. +5.7%. Norway +2.8%, -3.1%, -1.6%. Denmark +6.4%, -0.9%, +0.8%

Sweden Nov, Dec and Jan. +10.7%, +24.4% +17.5%. Finland. +6.1%, +4.1%, -1.8%. Norway. +0.6%, -2.3%, -5.5% Denmark. +5.5%, +10.6% +10.8%.

Sweden`s excess deaths 2020 10.54%. I could possibly work out the the excess deaths for the other three (or indeed if there actually were any), but logically from the figures above none are going to be anywhere near Sweden`s percentage of excess deaths.

What was it you said about logic again. Something along the lines of no matter how much someone can show correlation between results then if there is one single contradiction then the entire premise is false was it not ? Well from those statistics on over 65`s, differences in deaths and in excess deaths then it looks like your premise has fallen apart on three fronts.

This has all already been done to death on other threads, but giving you the benefit of the doubt for having to go through it again, you may not have know that. There are others though I notice who pointed to your post as being some kind of unknown reveal that do know better.

is this still the case. I keep hearing of restrictions until Feb 2022 . Thought this extention of restrictions was the last so why the talk of February?

Good post I'll give you that. I'll have to look into it deeper and check out what you are saying.

What do you think the differences are between the nordic countries and us and the UK?

How come they performed so much better.

Why the huge difference if lockdowns were to work. Why didn't they work for us? 🤔

Okay so passes to expire on Jan 9th.

Other restrictions masks etc until February 9th?

Hard to search on my phone for these do you have a link to the other legislations?

Looks like the UK may be giving up mass testing in January. I think that's our only way out of this, when mass testing ends and people can't obsess about irrelevant numbers.

The mass testing is a joke at this stage. Clearly the virus is being let rip.

Yep with our socialising and not paying attention. The HSE are/we're flat out trying to find solutions, no way is it there fault

Tony will be out to give us a lecture

I never thought I’d say anything like this, but I feel this ticketing business is very sinister. To me, it’s about a lot more than general contact tracing. It seems like it’s the government’s way of judging those going to a nightclub, very nanny state way of running things. I’d understand it if it was possible to get a ticket five, ten minutes in advance, but the one hour rule is a joke. Also, the vast vast majority of nightclub queues are outside, so how does that compare to all the queues to supermarkets earlier in the pandemic? I suppose we should bring in ticketing for Lidl too.

Check all you like. All those stats are easily found and the calculation are just basic mathematics.

You asked for examples of deaths being multiple times greater in a country that did not use lockdown compared to one that did. I have given you an example of 3 which used lockdown compared to their neighbour who did not, where the percentage of those 65 and older was no different where deaths were multiple times greater I have even shown you the disparity in excess deaths during Covid peak times. Whether you want to accept that or not that those statistics show that the deaths are much greater for the one neighbour which did not use lockdown when compared to the three that did, then that is up to you. But to use your own term, it would defy logic not to.

Why do you keep harping on about Ireland and the U.K in relation to Nordic countries that are neighbours in relation to lockdown ? The statistics clearly show the difference between those Nordic neighbours where lockdown was used and where it was not. If you want to make comparisons to us and our neighbour the U.K. then U.K. deaths adjusted for population are twice ours, where the U.K. similar to Sweden, originally played around with chasing herd immunity and only began to take lockdown seriously when Boris Johnston caught Covid.

The difference is reaction in very early stages. You lockdown hard and quickly - most importantly restricting international travel - and you drastically minimise ‘seeding’ effect.

Countries that had more warning (north) and also shut borders early fared better.

Outside of that, domestic restrictions had little impact relatively- they were necessary to prevent healthcare system collapse - but only served to delay spread ultimately.

That accounts for the difference in Nordic countries outcomes, even as it suits people to say Swedes are distanced and don’t care about their elderly as much as other countries do. They didn’t get as much wrong as some like to claim.

Yep there trying to change the drinking culture here

Both SI's only extended to Nov 9th; seems a bit strange to put the nightclubs/late bars through all that for 2 weeks.

Can't imagine there is. The have made some half assed baffling decisions over the last 18 months or so but this one is ridiculousness in its purest form.

The more I see and hear from this government the more I'm convinced they are up there with the most incompetent government in the history of the nation and that's saying something.

It is farcical.

Incredible to watch.

The country needed a bit of a laugh, to be fair.