Climate Bolloxolgy.

Well look we know the airline industry isn't going to be made do anything to reduce emissions by the government. The attack on farming from the EPA has some justification as they seem to focus mainly on the polluting of waterways from chemical usage. In terms of emissions, obviously the two sectors shouldn't be compared at all.

What we do really need is a balanced reasonable voice from the farming industry with regard to emissions and I have yet to see it. There's far too much push from the green side to completely change the system and too much stubbornness from the farming side to keep things the way they are. It isn't too much to ask to meet somewhere in the middle. And yes, totally agree that many farm are not measured correctly or at all for carbon sequestration, which should be a top priority.

With the history of famine and everything in this country, you'd think people would be some way appreciative of the food on their table. Blaming others is a great way of deflecting blame from yourself.

Hear similar sh1te from lunchtime on Newstalk.

They had a lady form EPA saying the emissions from farming actually increased in 2020 and that the south east was the worst offenders for overstocking/nitrate run off.

Saibh O'Neill from DCU was on to agree and state that farmers must do more etc.

A guy named Rush from IFA gave his best to educate them a bit and made some good points but it is a set up from the go. He pointed out that we grow grass better than anyone and make great beef, that the subsidies were cut from tillage so hence less tillage. Spoke about clover etc.

When Saibh O'Neill was asked about the National herd increasing she said that its not the national herd, those cattle belong to farmers!!🙄

She let slip that she didn't want tillage , forestry was the way to go.

Long story short. The green agenda is depopulate rural Ireland, plant forests and make us all live in little villages. They are stocking dept of Agri, EPA and NPWS etc with their kind of people and you are fecked if you fancy a steak, rear cattle, like horse racing or going hunting.

Import our food but hey, emissions will be down. Go out into the countryside at the weekend to look at the wolves but make sure you cycle.

FF/FG are willing to let a bunch of eco clowns make daft decisions so that they can cling to power.

B Man

PS. Not a farmer, just cut a bit of silage.

Was talking to a lad last night who's sister is in for planning for a house. She had to get an environmental assessment done on the site, some fella came out n pottered around for an hour or two.

He went off n wrote up his report n the good news was building a house there was grand. The bad news was it was 2.5k for the report. Nice work if you can get it.

Holy moly

There is no doubt that the amount of carbon in the atmosphere is many multiples what it should be naturally. There will never be any global consensus on how to meaningfully reduce that. Human nature just won’t allow it. We could all stop farming here in Ireland in the morning plant trees and let nature take its course. What difference would it make? Ireland is a dot on the globe. Brazilian/ Argentine/ Chinese/Russian farmers would see an opportunity and gladly fill the gap in jig time and negate any carbon reduction from Ireland going wild. It’s bullshit that’s why it’s so difficult for farmers to buy into this. And then when we see anomalies like tillage reduction and peat importation it just makes it all the more insane. I would reckon most farmers would be open to a more mixed approach where they feel valued and could make a contribution be it through digestion plants, wind /solar farms increased tillage, cover crops etc . All industries where our skills and assets could be utilised. But again the direction of travel seems to be shut down mode and decreasing role for rural people which is just horse sh1t.

Funny that... currently following a keto diet...so I avoid avocados as they are terrible for the local environment in which they are grown for numerous reasons... I typically eat lots of meat & cheese all of which is produced in Ireland and some nuts that are produced abroad...I try and get Irish grown vegetables but next to impossible...

Have vegatarian friend, who typically eats 2 amount of food as me, and their plate of food is like a UN Congress when you look at the country of origin...how is broccoli from Africa, beans from Canada, Fake meat from some processing plant...how is that sustainable and good for the environment...

Also all the fertilizer, that is produced from fossil fuels that the vegetarian relies on isn't exactly environmental friendly...animal manure is better, but sure let's cut the national herd by 50%...

Why don't the country that buys our beef have that carbon put against their carbon number

How is nuclear not seem as green, the waste it produces is only the rods, which can be stored on site

I think the Science is proven correct, climate change is happening and it is being brought on by human activity. Can't really blame the farmer for producing meat he has to make a living as the demand has increased worldwide production has followed. I've seen lads chomping into dinners with more meat than Veg, it seems to be the norm now. The problem I have with farming is it constantly squeezes margins, forcing more production for less money. The whole Carbon measuring is pure bullshit, it's just another money making Industry now full of two faced pricks who have no bother telling us we should be cycling to work while the same fuckers see it as ok to fly 2 foreign Holidays ever year burning tons of aviation fuel to get them there.

Boris Johnson is holding a climate change conference in Glasgow next month, there will be big entourage of politicians flying in from all over the world living like Kings and preaching down to the rest of us. The likes of Johnson and Trump is a symbol of what is wrong in the world today.

On your last point about the country that buys our beef should have the carbon charged to them - is the carbon created in making a new car charged to us or where the factory is? Genuine question as I’ve no idea.

I don't know, but I believe it should be end users that have the carbon attributted to them...

Different countries have different areas of expertise, we produce high quality beef, if we only produced enough for our island, then other countries will have increase their production...it's like robbing Peter to pay Paul...

In saying all this, I do believe that we can do better with farming, in regard to biodiversity on farms, more wildlife, trees, hedgerows and less environmental pollution...not the case on all farms

The end user pays every cost accrued in the manufacture any product,

If there's a charge for end of life recycling it's eventually added to the price of the product.

Of course beef is different, where every extra cost is subtracted from the price given to the farmer.

I think a lot of the D4 heads giving out about farmers thinks that all farming could be done on small organic low impact holdings like the cute Costa Rican farmer on the website of their local small batch coffee roaster

we are very much in the era of “something must be done to save the planet- but don’t look at me”

Its all about accounting...inventories, and where they're applied.

Unfortunately, Irish farmers are at the **** end of these accounting agreements..

Badly served when they were being agreed..

On the issue of climate change , as in so many areas of Irish life within the last decade, the people are being told what to think . Pressure groups and those pushing various ideologies have the ability to use the media and worryingly also the government . Look at the way prime time ads on television increasingly have coloured and gay characters . I have no difficulty with either but to what extent are they representative of the broader population ?

Have no doubt, farming will be sold out to satisfy the Green agenda being pushed by a minority .