Climate Bolloxolgy.

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074796#Comment_118074796

I doubt a war will be fought regarding the amount of days a week you can have a steak on your plate

The EU wasn't setup to export live pigs across the globe either

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074796#Comment_118074796

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Community

Coal and steel is where the whole thing started.

_Brian

Tax upon tax upon tax on fuels is just going to turn people away from climate change conversations.

we need meaningful medium and long term planning which is desperately lacking in our government. I support the end to peat extraction, but not phasing it along with increasing other energy sources was stupid, nothing else, it was stupid. It’s an example of how retarded government planning is.

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074782#Comment_118074782

Poland and Hungary are pretty awful examples. They are essentially ran by far right dictators that got elected by populism on the style of Trump or Brexit. The majority of the populations of both countries want to stay in the EU and are against the governments.

Hungary in particular is full of rubbish right wing propaganda. The pic below was taken by a mate who visited over the summer.

It basically translates as Soros is at it again or something to that effect. That type of right wing rubbish has no place here.

Sure once they get us driving electric then they will want to scrap all dairy and beef

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074754#Comment_118074754

I always laugh at this sentiment, the farmer argument that the world will starve if methods have to change. Ireland doesn't feed 8 billion people like. It's no lie that stocking rates are lower in organics, yields in organic tillage are improving all the time. It's just all about what would suit a person's system. It might make perfect sense for a suckler farmer with 30 cows to convert from conventional to organics with 20 or so cattle and actually make more money with arguably less work.

_Brian

I don’t think we will go near the 50% cut in the National herd that is mentioned as the worst case.

But, would changes be aimed at higher stocked farms or just a broad stroke across the board ??

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075215#Comment_118075215

People are funny.

They get all caught up in saying the right things around climate change etc but when it comes to adjusting behaviour around overconsumption of resources in fuel, consumer goods, cheap food and travel then they won’t step up.

Organic food should be way more successful than it is due to quality and environmental impact but in reality you get people loading the trolley with the super six from the other side of the world.

Markcheese

Farming is a easy scapegoat - there's already a regulatory framework - and a history of inspections - compliance and penalties - plus there is room for change - and established grant systems to incentivise change ..

But Going on the attack against the public and starting an "us versus them" conflict will only have one outcome and it won't be livestock farmers... Theres big changes coming worldwide - and It could be be very profitable for Irish livestock farmers -

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075296#Comment_118075296

And this is what I was saying from the start of the thread. Far too much division and as you say the "us vs them" mentality. Needs to meet in the middle and yes I do also agree that Ireland is in a good position to supply food sustainably and for high end markets. I think it's fairly obvious the greens and their policies won't be around for too much longer. It's just a case of how strict the EU directives will be.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118067587#Comment_118067587

I remember when I was a small lad steak was a big treat, ya could have it everyday of the week now. Food prices are ridiculously low. Does anyboby have an idea of what an animal should cost vs what we currently pay? Plus where is all the tongue/cheek/shin/tripe go to? Most butchers if you ask for anything even slightly off the norm it has to be ordered in.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075169#Comment_118075169

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075169#Comment_118075169

What's factual incorrect about the above statement, soros is one serious piece of s**t...

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/19/george-soros-enabler-us-street-violence-antifa-/

Then you get a few months later teenage girls been raped by a "transgender" male in girls/transgender sharing toilets passed by woke school boards in the above counties backed by woke democrats installed by soros, and the parent of the raped girl been arrested at a school board meeting when he's told it never happened and removed for making a scene

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075465#Comment_118075465

Your quoting from a right wing publication that posted racist conspiracy theories who also are climate change deniers. Hardly a reliable source for anything, and to be honest this is too far off topic. Believe it or not, but the majority of Irish people have no time for this type of crap.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075515#Comment_118075515

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/teenager-found-guilty-loudoun-county-004300075.html

It's not really of topic, the same c**ts, telling us we are destroying the planet are all in on the above stuff aswell, the little b***d that committed the rape was found guilty, is that made up too ffs....

Left leaning politicians are never wrong when they are they are still right, 300 million odd cows out in India alot just for ceremonial value and not food production but its the paddy milking a few cows that's the problem

Reggie.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074782#Comment_118074782

Interesting thing when the polish courts told the EU that their law doesn't overrule their national law. Could be a game changer

Reggie.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074763#Comment_118074763

Sure the coal industry is now getting busier. Aren't China increasing the amount of coal fired power stations in the country so not much changing there

Whats wrong with the way food is produced in this country atm

farmertipp

the problem is the upstarts we never had to listen to in the past or rely on to make a decision now have become educated but still have the inferiority complex and are going to set the world to rights one way or another.

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075572#Comment_118075572

It really isn't, the terms are clearly defined when a country joins the EU. Poland knew the rules when they joined in 2004, it's only now they seem to have an issue with it. Poland will fall back in line when the EU is forced to with hold funding for them.

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075536#Comment_118075536

I told you the newspaper article you quoted was from an unreliable biased source, then you go on about some other bizarre upsetting story about some sick f**ker in a toilet. I'm not sure how that relates to Soros, but it's definitely off topic, and no I'm not denying it happened either.

Markcheese

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075580#Comment_118075580

China feiced cos they stopped importing high grade coal from Australia - and then had major floods in one of their coal mining regions - thats kinda short term I know -

They are still building new coal burning plants though - kind of hard to bring over a billion people up out of poverty in a couple of decades without using nuclear ,coal, gas and everything else - they've committed to going carbon neutral as well though ..

Food production isnt terrible in Ireland - the non intensive side could probably use minimal fertilizer , and the intensive side is very input driven and almost green deserts- there's probably a lot of rough - scrubby and wet land that would be best incentivised to be left as it is .

The current emissions accounting system is full of anomalies - we need some one to bat for Irish ag - and not just take the easiest route -

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075692#Comment_118075692

Can you join the dots, https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/loudoun-county-prosecutor-soros-mcauliffe.amp

but I guess because it's fox news, it's fake news

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075750#Comment_118075750

It's not actually Fox News, it's Fox News piggy-backing on a unsubstantiated Daily Wire accusation. A lot of "allegedly", "According to the Daily Wire Article...." and "Seems to be.." wording. The Daily Wire is like taking economic advice from page 3 of the Sun. But, it suited your agenda so you ran with it without reading it.

Bringing Transgender issues in to this shows you've lost already. "Left leaning politicians.." more irrelevance.

reniwren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075580#Comment_118075580

Ditches being cleared out to make 2 foot of extra space causing excessive erosion and not holding up water like the land used to before.

Excessive slurry spreading contaminating water supplies,

sprays used just before corn is cut,

coatings used on some seeds are basically just poison's for birds.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075801#Comment_118075801

What's factual incorrect in the daily Wire article...

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075832#Comment_118075832

Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with you, how many farmers used the guidance of (state) agri advisors and experts to implement these developments and farm improvements? There were ramifications if the "improvements" weren't implemented.

This is one area it easily becomes and "Us and Them" argument. These 'improvements' were required to increase output and keep food costs low, as a benefit to consumers.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075832#Comment_118075832

And just because it's organic doesn't mean it's better either for the environment.

On other forums there's pics of organic farmers out ploughing the land now and getting thanks from organic advocates.

You plough now at this time of year you're releasing nitrates into waterways. Then there's the soil carbon gasing off from the act of soil in that big disturbance. Its that big reason why farmers min till and spray off with glyphosate and call themselves regenerative.

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075872#Comment_118075872

Transgender issues don't affect farmers discussing Climate change issues.

n1st

There are many ambiguities.

We have to do our bit.

We are way behind, especially Ireland

It's 15C outside here today and nearly November !

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074531#Comment_118074531

All true all correct all well put together but my point still stands

Your points are great and well made but while humans are on this planet it's not going to happen. Now that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to make it happen but unless we have some technological breakthrough were goosed

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075893#Comment_118075893

https://foe.scot/why-climate-change-is-an-lgbtq-issue/

That's not what the young friends of the earth Scotland reckon

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074763#Comment_118074763

Retraining to what end a lot of the jobs you are talking about will have to go if climate change is to be successful do people actually realise how Spartan the whole human race would have to become to have any hope of not damaging the atmosphere

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074776#Comment_118074776

I'd say more

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118076001#Comment_118076001

So now you're on their side?......Or did you just scour google to refute my point?

I also mentioned "Farming"...which has nothing to do with what you 'discovered'

Is this a legitimate argument to climate change you thing farming should use to defend our role .......

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075732#Comment_118075732

These are the same lovely bunch of lads that are probably committing the worst case of genocide since Hitler and Stalin were in action ( it's alleged cos obviously they are saying nothing to see here just big schools ) and you believe they are going to be carbon neutral

Markcheese

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118076066#Comment_118076066

China , like most places ,will do what suits china ... They're worried about climate change .. and are aware that they're 1.5 billion people and the second biggest economy in the world ... And there's often a disconnect between Chinese central ploicy and their regional politics

Oh and I'm not an advocate for Chinese government or their repressive politics -

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075615#Comment_118075615

That reminds me of a saying I once heard, "there was a time when they were backward and ignorant, now they are ignorant and forward"

yosemitesam1

There's a book called the dying of money. Worth a read, lots to consider about our current situation.

The world is a bigger and much more complicated place compared to when it was written but it has largely just resulted in a bigger and more complicated bubble to pop. Lots of the observations on inflationary monetary policy are at the root of what we see around us today, whether that's big tech that doesn't actually turn a profit or add value, or else it's the whole climate change agenda which will only strip real value from the economy and make everyone (except the elites) poorer.

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075938#Comment_118075938

The climate has changed before, at one time this island was covered in ice. Who's to say that it wasn't 15°c on 26th October 1221?

Capitalist economics has us where we are. Its all about growth. This growth has lead to consumerism spiralling out of all control. If we stripped away all the needless stuff that we all have in our lives we could solve this in a short time.

Instead, we are In the disingenuous position of trying to scapegoat agriculture. The capitalists know that we are going to have to cut back on the crap that they are selling us at present. They know that we have to eat so they are thinking that they will produce our food in factories and save us from ourselves.

This is where the money is going to be made, it all boils down to money. The noise from vegans, eco warriors and do gooders like Mary Robinson is just noise to drown out the real conversation that needs to be had.

farmertipp

Ciaran Fitzgerald always write a well constructed opinion piece on agri land. and we know from his time in the ima he's well able to bat for his team.

Rte would be afraid to ask him on air.

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118076286#Comment_118076286

Post of the day

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118076286#Comment_118076286

Just in relation to the climate changing before bit. That is true, but the chart below is the reality.

There's no question but that human 'presence' on the planet is having a significant impact.

That being said, I largely agree with the rest of your post. Our focus on growth within every sector literally drives the economy which drives the energy use.

When you start thinking about changing that mindset and the likely consequence of dropping sales figures, profit margins and share price and the impact on that in terms of employment, business and the economy itself, then it becomes spiral of negativity until a new normal is realised.

But, that probably is what is needed (in conjunction with minimising the use of non-sustainable resources and reducing the use of significantly contributory factors where possible) and just how realistic is this to happen outside of everyone's attention being taken by some catastrophic event such as another World War for example? The financial crash of 08 should have been an opportunity to reign in the focus on growth/profit or the pandemic which is ongoing but in both cases the primary focus of many in charge was to get back to the way things have been operating ASAP.

We've seen how a large sector of society worldwide is willing to take the chance that it will be others who are affected most in the event of the most serious pandemic in 100 years so how do we move any way towards a collective push to do what is best for us a society in the long run above what is best for those alive and in control right now?

Tell me how

How do you deal with this mindset for example?

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1452959900896743425

Gillespy

It's heartening to see all the climate ads from the world's biggest companies on television all the time now. My favourite is the snotty children one saying to do more sustainable farming, that it's a thing now. That's Amazon I think. Beats ads from bookmakers I guess.

c.p.w.g.w

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118076450#Comment_118076450

Logistic firms seem to have a massive impact globally...its all a little ironic

Easten

Doing my bit for Global warming

n1st

If the climate change continues then it doesn't really matter what the root cause is, we won't bw farming in Ireland and neither will any of our descendents.

All we can do is try to slow it four grandchildrens sake and while we're at it no harm in cleaning up our waters and giving the wildlife that was here long before we came a chance.

Farming was never about grass and feeding as many animals as possible. That is the true lie that has been taught to farmers in Ireland over the past 40 yrs.

Who has benefitted from commercial farming?

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118076450#Comment_118076450

Climate change won't affect me and probably the regulations won't either, but it's grossly unfair the way the farmers are made the bogey men in all this.

The youth are driving this big time but instead of doing as they say we should do as they do, they want change but are showing no signs of wanting TO change . I see a schoolbus stopping near here and no one getting on and then the parents then driving out in the SUV an hour later...... and that's just one example.

So I'll be carrying on as usual, burning trees in my stove

farmertipp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118076589#Comment_118076589

alot of them are hood at flying all over the globe as well

Easten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118076589#Comment_118076589

Well that's my thoughts on it too. Yes I believe Global warming is happening. But no it all rolls back to the way people live. So I couldn't give a fiddlers no more than them fookers with there oversized houses, big cars and foreign holidays

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118076589#Comment_118076589

If we are looking for bogey men, which is not hugely productive, it certainly isn't those under the age of 18. They are children, and it is unfair to ask them to suggest appropriate solutions or lead by example. We have to stop blaming them for the faults of the world and society in which they live.

They are behaving largely based on the instruction and example being given to them.