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Traffic Congestion.

  • 20-10-2021 5:39pm
    Posts: 21,179 Eason Petite Timer

    Is it me or has traffic really got worse since even before covid ?

    The amount of crashes on the N7 is unreal, what are they going to do about people using their phones ? this is probably worse than Drink driving, this is a lot of road missed by the time they fumble around with the phone.

    I wonder who's working from home and if they have the chance why would they sit in all that traffic clogging roads for those who need to use them ?

    I think it's really time Ireland introduce flexible hrs by law and not leave it to the discretion of the company in many instances it shouldn't matter what time you start/finish as long as the work is done, sure there certain times this isn't possible but it's possible for a lot of People.

    The N7.M50 mostly isn't fit for purpose, the slip roads are too many and too short, why can't we have proper multi story over passes like they can in other countries ? look at long mile road junction for instance, a complete and utter joke.



  • Registered Users Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Murph85

    no it wouldnt, stopping every few seconds, still accepting cash! they are insufferable!

  • I find it a little strange how drivers seem content to leave things how they are, despite the hours spend in the traffic and congestion

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99

    Capped congestion charge on general traffic at peak times to cross the canals (exempting commercial vehicles) to pay for all bus fares - problem solved.

  • Registered Users Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Murph85

    I would agree with a euro or one euro fifty cent charge to cross the canal. This money should be ringfenced for public transport and particularly rail investment in the Dublin area...

    3rd world infrastructure in dublin and as good as free motor tax, no congestion charges and no tolls for most people. A sprawling car dependent city... what do you expect?

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭Andrewf20

    M4 - M50 commuting here. I dont think its worse than before covid. M4 is the same as 2019 in the morning, the M50 seems a little faster moving southbound. Evening traffic northbound is around 70% of what it used to be.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,511 ✭✭✭Flinty997

    In the city areas I travel. Roads lanes have been reduced, lights changed to give longer to pedestrians during lockdown, not switched back as far as I know, and many new one way roads and other turning restrictions. Mostly not effected though as I'm WFH.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 46,992 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder

    simple; canvas your local TDs for improved public transport and cycling facilities.

  • Posts: 21,179 Eason Petite Timer

    I think the N7 is definitely much worse not to mention the near daily crashes.

    Public transport is a serious issue. I can't take it, not a hope and most people are the same, you either come to Dublin city or nowhere on a train commute to Dublin, get a train to the city and spend 1 hr on a bus to get where you want ?

    No Underground ? seriously, this isn't even on the thoughts of any ministers. Dublin needs a subway system and the longer we put it off the worse it will be.

    The multistore overpasses don't exist here, again, we do things half assed, the Irish way, traffic must end with lights or roundabouts all the time or slip roads are inadequate and even exiting most of the N7 you end at a roundabout in queues of traffic, again, no proper overpasses, just slip roads to roundabouts.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs

    Traffic is human behaviour, look at all the single occupancy cars. I'd wager at least some of them don't need to be commuting on their own in a car and have plenty of options. Not all before anyone takes it that I'm saying that.

    Roads can cope very well with certain traffic levels and slowdowns increase exponentially the more that level is exceeded.

    I only have a 6km trip to work and I could get train or cycle but I don't. However I can't stand people in wok complaining about traffic when they live even closer than I do. You are the traffic.

    I work from home until after 9 and hit the office for about 930 and traffic is gone. I make sure I leave before 5 and I get home handy too, might do a small bit ar home if I have to.

    That 6km journey could be 30 mins at peak times, feck that

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭Chiparus

    there is already a congestion charge on the Port tunnel €10 at peak times, seems to work , a euro charge won't stop anyone.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 46,992 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder

    it's kinda nuts how inefficient single occupancy cars are. for example, if you were to park up the entire 'three lane' M50 (i.e. from the M1 junction to the sandyford exit) with cars - allowing 5m per car, all four lanes in each direction, you'd get a little over half the capacity of croke park with one occupant per car.

  • Registered Users Posts: 18,537 ✭✭✭✭Del2005

    The trip from my home to the city centre on the bus is ~50 minutes off peak and just over an hour peak. Public transport is already full at peak time so even if there were no cars on the roads how many buses would we need to transport all the people at peak and what would we do with them off peak, because running 11 tonne vehicles nearly empty isn't very good for the environment and leaving expensive vehicles sitting isn't good for the taxpayer.

  • Posts: 21,179 Eason Petite Timer

    We really do need flexible working laws in Ireland and not leave it at the discretion of the company.

    I have no choice but to take the car and car pooling would not be practical and there's only 3 of us + there's no one that I can drive to work nor could drive me but more should be done to incentivise car pooling. Free tolls, reduced tax etc.

    One issue I would have with car pooling is if people are not Punctual, I'm a very punctual person and it annoys me when People are 10 mins + late. Late picking me up either end or not ready when I'm there to pick them up would drive me nuts.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,619 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell

    If buses travel 50% faster due to less congestion or proper bus lanes, then 100 buses will do the work formerly done by 150 congested buses. If a bus can travel faster than previously, then it will attract more commuters. As more commuters travel by bus rather than car, this will reduce congestion. A win win situation.

    They could start this effect by reducing the availability of on street parking, and using this reduction to improve the reach of bus lanes.

    Of course, proper enforcement of bus lanes is an obvious starting point. Whatever happened to those traffic wardens?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,680 ✭✭✭✭zell12

    According to the CSO, it is not worse. It is roughly the same. And buses are now full at peak times

    Sept 2021 - 'car traffic volumes are now at 90% of Aug 2019 levels in Dublin area and 88% of Aug 2019 levels in regional locations. HGV traffic volumes are 3% higher in Dublin and 4% higher in regional sites compared with the same week in 2020'

  • Posts: 21,179 Eason Petite Timer

    N7 traffic is definitely a lot worse.

    It would be good if they could ban HGV at peak times. There's more and more HGV using lane 2 and 3 today than ever and refusing to move back to lane 1.

  • Posts: 21,179 Eason Petite Timer

    Maybe not for them all but certainly not for me giving the nature of my work.

    I struggle to understand why anyone would choose to sit in such traffic if they have an alternative ?

  • I think that many people like it. Perhaps it’s convenient time spent away from pressures at home, or else the only ‘alone time’ people have. That is genuinely the only reason that I can think of for the lack of appetite to do anything about it

  • Registered Users Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Whatwicklow

    The n7 merely moves the traffic closer to the m50 quicker.

    You can't get in to the m50 quicker, so it tails back.

    More lanes, flyover, longer slips don't discourage the problem which is cars.

    Cars create traffic, not bus's cyclists pedestrian etc.. Fix the problem

  • Posts: 21,179 Eason Petite Timer

    I don't believe anyone wants to sit in such traffic by choice. Like me, many, most People have no choice.

    Even back roads are chocked due to sat navs diverting people the same roads, I couldn't count the amount of times Waze lead me into more traffic than it got me out of...... Google isn't a whole lot better, but it is better.

  • Posts: 21,179 Eason Petite Timer

    The slip roads greatly slow down traffic on the N7 because they are completely inadequate and traffic jumps onto the n7 mostly at very slow speeds slowing the N7 down.

    The M50 isn't actually that bad once you get on it heading north, again, from the N7 the slowdown and tailbacks are mostly due to the M50 slip road, completely inadequate and the traffic from Clondalkin/Luas merging there at that point is a disaster.

    Poorly designed roads. They need companies experienced with creating proper road networks to design the roads in Ireland because no one has a clue here.

    But if we could get more People working from home it would be better.

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