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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 44,578 CMod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder

    across the liffey too?

  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 34,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle

    Did someone earlier say that cycle lanes cause congestion?

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,920 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko

  • Ticketing every car in the 200m of bus lanes before left turns would solve the problem soon enough, and raise a lot of money. Just don’t understand why this isn’t done

  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 34,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle

    In reality the majority of Gardai "couldn't be bothered". They are not tax collectors nor do they see a point in delaying a few drivers who are simply wanting to turn left. For the latter, they are free to use their discretion and therefore can ignore blatant law breaking.

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  • And yet such a simple fix to get the buses moving. Couldn’t care less is drivers are further delayed…’s the public transport that we should be prioritising

  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭ SupplyandDemandZone

    Simple answer is 1000 euro fines and 6 points on licence for driving in bus lanes or entering bus lanes way before left turns. Massive Garda blitz on this over a two week period would make selfish drivers think twice before blocking lanes from buses.

  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 34,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle

    I think two thinngs are needed for bus lanes: segregation as you approach the junction and tough enforcement. Segregation is unfortunately needed. However, as the likes of the wands outside Whitehall church show, drivers will still drive the few hundred metres down the bus lane which is why enforcement is required. This could take the form of on-bus cameras. Punitive fines will soon change people's ways.

    By freeing up bus lanes, busses will become much more efficient alowing more busses to operate when eneded. This will mean that more people who do not need to use their cars at busy times will naturally opt for a bus. Those who need to use their car/van/etc. will have less traffic holding them up.

    However, can't see it happening despite the climate-crisis PR crap announced yesterday.

  • Registered Users Posts: 856 ✭✭✭ Viscount Aggro

    The green duty on fuel each year will sort out the traffic congestion.

    Imagine an extra 10c per litre on motor fuel?

    People have too much money if they are driving short distances,

    example is a Q of cars outside a drive thru coffee hut in Stillorgan.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,227 ✭✭✭ Chiparus

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭ McGrath5

    Really? Petrol / Diesel retail prices are at an all time high yet I don't see any drop in traffic volumes, I think the problem is a large cohort of people are hopelessly addicted to their cars ie using them to go a few hundred meters down the road. If it was €10 per liter they still wouldn't change their ways, its depressing.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭ DaCor

    Taxation is an effective form of dissuasion as evidenced with smoking where the numbers smoking are dropping by 1-2% yearly as they become more and more expensive.

    Another example was when the motor tax system was adjusted to discourage diesel over petrol and it worked very well. The motor tax system is due for another shake up very soon which will provide further disincentive to purchasing ICE cars and incentivize purchasing EV's.

    As for making people cut down on use of private cars, the following measures also work well

    • Removal of free parking
    • Increase in parking costs
    • Removal of all on street parking
    • Park n strides on the outskirts of cities
    • Congestion charges
    • Bus priority measures (lanes, junction priority, higher frequency, lower costs, RPTI etc)
    • Safe active travel infrastructure
    • and so on

    All of the above are on their way too so as time goes on, its going to be a bigger and bigger pain to drive your car and should you decide to do so, its going to be more and more expensive

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 44,578 CMod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder

    i suspect the number smoking would be falling anyway. the sort of person not discouraged by a €10 packet of cigarettes isn't going to be much dissuaded by an €11 pack of cigarettes. the reasons for the smoking falloff are many and varied, it's certainly not just down to price.

    regarding the tax system incentivising diesel, my initial response would be 'so?'; it's no indication that people would actually give up their cars because of fuel prices, just that they'll change which car they'll buy.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭ DaCor

    Try €15 eur a pack

    Regarding the tax system, no one tax will drive a change in behaviour or purchase options, but stack them up and you drive change.

  • I don’t remember the principles from economics class at school, but isn’t there a model where the price v demand isn’t a direct correlation, but rather once the price gets to a certain point, then demand goes off a cliff? I suspect will be like that with petrol prices

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 44,578 CMod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder

    i know an ex-smoker who said one reason he gave up was that it became a lonely affair. it used to be that you'd often find more people outside the pub smoking, than in, but that has changed noticeably.