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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Look at all those relaxation of restrictions. Everyone here must be pleased:

    Mr Martin said that based on NPHET advice, those businesses that are due to reopen on 22 October

    He said everything that has reopened will stay reopen.

    He said religious services and weddings can proceed without capacity limits

    The Taoiseach said fixed capacity will no longer apply for indoor and outdoor activities

    there will be a return to full capacity at sports stadiums 

    Antigen testing will also play a bigger role in this phase of reopening and tests will be sent to fully vaccinated close contacts.

    includes the return of normal trading hours in bars and restaurants

    Pretty much identical to the rest of Europe then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭floorpie


    In the case of Pandemrix, the proven long term side effects were not known 10 months after roll out because they were suppressed by GSK. It took more like 10 years for this safety data to be unearthed.

    Pandemrix vaccine: why was the public not told of early warning signs? | The BMJ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    How can they have bar service in a nightclub but it won't be allowed in an actual bar/pub?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Confusing, as I've come to expect from this govt

    Not sure how table service, physical distancing and masks in nightclubs is going to work, especially if they allow 100% capacity....

    As far as I can see they've gone ahead with everything else though, and antigen testing, finally it is January 2021 already???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    Why would a country with 92% adults vaccinated need a lockdown ?

    Winter just not the time to open up fully.

    So restrictions every winter so ?

    What would be safe enough for you ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Some pubs are so small that at least 20-30% of capacity is from bar stools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    The measures are to reduce the spread of covid, full stop. Its not about punishing anyone or anything like that. Can't understand the paranoia that politicians or doctors are out to get anyone. They are just doing their best (which is sometimes not good enough) in a shite situation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    I can say wholeheartedly F'n country is a shambles. Utter crap.

    I know I said it earlier but how is the HSE this bad that we have to wait til February 2022 (if even that!) til we have what they have had across the Irish Sea months ago. I'm genuinely at a loss for words. There's being cautious and then there's this.

    Ironically in the same announcement they're talking about a phased return to work, but anyone whose working here in Dublin can tell you that the buses are packed in the morning going towards the city centre, I'd imagine the same goes for LUAS and Dart. Again it's a punishment for the young, a disregard for work/life balance so long as you keep paying your rent in overpriced locations.

    2 years they've had, a young population which is a big advantage given the nature of the virus, a massively compliant population with over 90% vaccination in 16+ and yet they still can't deliver something close to normality for it's population when practically every other place in Europe can? Jesus I'm not even saying go down the UK route, which is a free-for-all, but anything would be better than this. A nonsense of a country run by 2 nonsense parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭floorpie


    In a way they're very brave to make this announcement today. It's likely in my opinion that they'll have to roll back on this in a matter of weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    If we had rates like most of Europe that were a 5th of what we have. We are going into winter with rates that are already problematic. In future we hopefully will not have these rates in autumn in future. Of course this isn't sustainable year in, year out. Its ****, don't get me wrong



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    We are such a conservative sh1thole of a country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Which is why they could and should have done it months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    I think it's more likely they will put on more restrictions than roll back.

    Maybe travel and mandatory hotel quarantine is next ...

    Shambles ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,470 ✭✭✭MOH


    Love RTE's unbiased coverage of this:

    "Boost for hospitality sector under revised plans" trumpets the 12:47 posting.

    So in government media spin-land reneging on the promise to remove all restrictions and instead maintaining restrictions which involve a large reduction in capacity and administration overhead is somehow a "boost".

    Wonder if I refuse to pay my licence fee this year but I do buy a copy of the RTE guide would they similarly consider that a "boost" in revenue?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The only change in indoor dining is increasing the table size from 6 to 10. That's it. Everything else remains; vaccine papers and ID to enter, masks all the time except when sitting down, no mingling and no bar service. Extremely conservative approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Its back in a good few pubs now thankfully. Love the high stool myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭floorpie


    Sry that's what I meant.

    We're essentially having UK's summer "freedom day" - criticised so much on here - in the middle of winter. We have approx the same level of vaccination as they did then. Delta is now the dominant strain.

    This is going to be a disaster imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    They should just ignore it. Quite a few are already. Complete nonsense at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    You can order pints yourself.in nightclubs and you have to get table service in a bar.This is hilarious meholes presser



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    In regards to the "smug", this is the basis for the motivation of nearly all of these people. We come across these types all the time in politics, people who were outsiders growing up, who now have the chance to be above those who made them feel like outsiders by having "the correct" views. Give them the opportunity to look down on others, and they'll take it time and time again no matter the issue. Essentially they are deeply insecure people trying to compensate for their miserable childhoods by presenting themselves as righteous heroes, here to save humanity from the ignorant plebs.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Table service only doesn't really bother me; there's nothing really that fun about standing at a crowded bar, three deep, trying to get the barman's attention.

    Sure on the continent you go in places and it's all table-only. It's just something to get used to for now I suppose.

    I wonder will the relaxation of restrictions reduce the amount of house parties that'll take place this winter? You'd probably be better off in a bar that is following distancing / mask rules, than packed into a house full of people you may not know, not wearing masks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Apparently once you're dancing you can order drinks and basically go back to a bit of normality. Let the permanent state of dance commence!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    Calling someone an anti vaxxer for refusing one vaccine is like calling someone who doesn’t like chicken a vegan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Yeah, my friend in Berlin makes the same point. Fully opening up bars there still means table service. He reckons he hasn't ordered at a bar in Germany in 20 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Nightclubs are gonna start been full of 40 and 50 year olds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    😆, MM being asked to explain how social distancing will work in nightclubs, also the notion of not being able to order from the bar at a nightclub , table service only. Its been while personally, but I don't think this is remotely logical or workable .

    Not sure if what's been announced generally is sketch from Callans Kicks but this is just surreal stuff.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Dancing makes you covid resistant apparently! This night club sectoral advice is going to be the big news story for days. You just can't square night clubs with any of the present restrictions (beyond certs). Papers are going to have a field day.



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