Heavyweight Boxing

loyatemu · 14-10-2021 01:50PM

Heavyweight Boxing is unusual compared to other sports in that the standards have not improved notably over time, all that's happened is that the average size of the fighters has increased. Djokovic would wipe the floor with any of the past greats of tennis; the current Man City team would destroy the likes of Brazil 1970. Yet it's hard to make the case that even Fury would definitely beat the leading heavies of the 80s and 90s. At the lower weights you'd imagine improvements in training, conditioning, diet etc would give them an edge over their past equivalents, but at heavyweight it's just been bigger, bigger, bigger.

walshb · 14-10-2021 01:52PM

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Yes. Boxing far more difficult to assess and measure

Can really only use what we see. And what I see, only Fury stands out as a credible top rated fighter that could be top rated with the best of the 1990s

Wilder has nothing but a right hand, but against the best in the 1990s I reckon it won’t be as near useful as it is today.

walshb · 14-10-2021 01:57PM

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Tyson landed on men 6 feet 5 and 6. He’d absolutely get to Wilder, and would definitely break his body

Wilder’s power was a straight right. Against a squat shorter and solid Tyson it would very ineffective. The chap hasn’t even got a good enough uppercut to do the trick.

jimwallace197 · 14-10-2021 02:00PM

Who do people on here want to see Fury fight in his next three matches if he doesn't retire before then, for me its Whyte (only because of the AJ/Uysk fight), then Uysk (assuming he beats Joshua), & then Joshua to cement his legacy. Hopefully the above happens over the next year & a half to two years.

yourdeadwright · 14-10-2021 02:28PM

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Did Ruddock fight any other fighter in that top 10 of any year before he fought Mike ? I could forget someone ,

I believe the answer is a big NO , if im not mistaken the only fighters he ever fought who where ever in the top at any time where Tyson (he lost twice) Lennox ( he lost in 2 ) & Tommy Morrison was 10 in 92 or 93 ( he also Ko'd him )

It wasn't Mike that ruined Ruddock it was competition ,

yourdeadwright · 14-10-2021 02:28PM

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I think Whyte & winner of Usyk v AJ twice

walshb · 14-10-2021 02:31PM

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Regardless. He was world class rated when Tyson fought him. Top 3-5…

anyway, Tyson decimates AJ. End of!

US2 · 14-10-2021 02:41PM

Rematch has always been a thing I know, but isn't it absolutely ridiculous that Whyte has a rematch clause with Wallin. Same when he fought povetkin. Seems no matter what way you beat a match room fighter, completely outclass or vicious KO, you have to beat them twice.

walshb · 14-10-2021 02:43PM

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Yes. You’d swear they were elite superstars or somethin

yourdeadwright · 14-10-2021 02:59PM

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You could be right

yourdeadwright · 14-10-2021 03:01PM

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Should be only in world title fights if a long term champion loses or it's a dodgy decision

Guys like Whyte if you lose tough s*te ,

AckwelFoley · 14-10-2021 03:08PM

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I'm second this post all day.

AJ was meat and drink for Tyson.

Tysons biggest enemy was himself. He went nuts, went to prison and wasn't able to re invent himself like ali or Forman could

But on his prime especially under Cus, he was lethal

Cyrus · 14-10-2021 03:16PM

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Like Charles Martin 😃

No 2 in the ibf rankings.

badabing106 · 14-10-2021 03:18PM

Mike at 5 foot 11 would have a hard time against the behemoths of today. Let's be honest, If he was starting out today, it would be in the cruiserweight division

Every dominant heavyweight Champ since the Lennox Lewis have the same thing in common, they are all over 6 foot 5, overs 240ilbs, and extremely athletic even for that size.

That is the way of the jungle in heavyweight boxing now

walshb · 14-10-2021 04:11PM

Tyson was solid at 220. He would not have to be a CW today. Aged 20/21/22/23 he was 215-220..he’s a HW..

His height was one metric.

Guys, his height was as much an advantage to him, and disadvantage to taller foes….it allowed him to get up and under, and taller men has to adjust to punch downwards. Added to this was his upper body movement and fast attacking feet and angles.

He met men taller and heavier and destroyed them..

seriously, apart from Fury, how exactly does any of them today beat him? I can’t argue in any way for any of them..

The talent at HW today is just not all that great..

He will never fail to land clean and often on any them, and I see no way any them (apart from Fury) being able to deal with him.

badabing106 · 14-10-2021 04:45PM

If Mike was starting out today at heavyweight at 20 years of age, there are a conveyor belt of skilled, athletic behemoths awaiting. If you search the top 50 rankings today, the up and coming future stars are all behemoths. Mike's body would not be the same having to fight them one after the other

walshb · 14-10-2021 04:48PM

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What?

so, a 20/21/22 year old Tyson

Tyson was at his peak aged 20/21/22/23. He was undisputed and lineal champion aged 21

who are these behomeths that are too much for him?

am I watching a different HW division?

badabing106 · 14-10-2021 04:57PM

Arslanbek Makhmudov

Filip Hrgovic

Jared Anderson

It's not that Mike couldn't beat any one heavyweight, it's that he would be having gruelling contests against fighters that would man handle him all day long. Sure he could beat them but I think it would be not realistic for it to be the norm and for it to last for more than a short period

14-10-2021 04:59PM

I was just looking at Riddick Bowe's record and unbelievably he never fought Tyson. I could have sworn he did.

Serious case of The Mandela Effect.

walshb · 14-10-2021 05:02PM

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Yep. I’d back Tyson to beat all these handily!

far too fast!

yourdeadwright · 14-10-2021 05:24PM

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Lots of people always get Riddick & Ruddock mixed up

yourdeadwright · 14-10-2021 05:25PM

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Did Mike fight anyone of Fury or AJ size who where decent ? Did he even fight anyone of Wilder's height ?

walshb · 14-10-2021 05:35PM

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AJ is 6 feet 5…

Tucker is 6 feet 5/6..bout inch shy of Wilder..

Fought several men 5/6 inches taller than him…

OmegaGene · 14-10-2021 05:49PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wFMsUYfklw

good angle and audio on the exchange of words at the end

squinn2912 · 14-10-2021 08:49PM

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Excellent insight there! The man is a genius.

14-10-2021 09:27PM

I've just re-watched the Fury vs. Wilder fight.

I said in thread at the time that Fury was lucky with the count when the referee sent Wilder back to the neutral corner but watching it back, I think the ref was fair. He gave Wilder more time than I initially thought when he was knocked down. Fury also got up quicker than I remembered.

14-10-2021 09:33PM

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I know Tyson and Riddick were good friends but I really thought they had fought with Tyson winning.

walshb · 14-10-2021 09:41PM

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Prison put paid to their ever proper meeting. That 1991-1994 period would have possibly produced some epics..with Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Foreman and Lewis all at or near their peak..Tyson wee bit past his best, and Foreman at his 1990s peak. Bowe and Holyfield were at their HW peak. Lewis possibly

it’s a travesty that from that bunch we got eff all fights during that period from them..

squinn2912 · 14-10-2021 09:58PM

I see Wilder has come out and given some respect to Fury. I think we should forgive the attitude considering the disappointment and how scrambled his head has to have been after the beating he stood up to. Fury accepted it too. Good to see that.

https://twitter.com/bronzebomber/status/1448711633153368065?s=21

squinn2912 · 14-10-2021 10:16PM

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I agree with that! Imagine even having the dvd of the documentary of them fights whatever about the fantasy match ups.

On the Tyson vs aj or Wilder discussion I give neither much hope. Tyson was a wrecking ball God help them both when he would land the body shot I’m wincing at the thought. They would both fold over I’d go as far as to say I’d happily bet on him to beat both on the same night. Neither have anything like the defence required to keep him (a peak him) at bay. I think he’s a hateful match up for any of them. Don’t fancy Fury all that much either... maybe him.

Heavyweight Boxing

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