Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

Not sure what that would achieve. There is no mechanism for them to completely disregard the Northern Ireland Protocol. If consent is not given by the MLA, the Protocol will still continue for two years with the objective being that the UK and the EU would come up with an alternative proposal that would still comply with the Protocol. That has been agreed. Unless the UK just tell us to p155 off and unilaterally starts erecting a Berlinesque type wall, then their wont have reneged on the international agreement until the 2nd year.

i don’t know how it will be resolved. It is interesting that most of the EU leaders refused to back France in relation to the Fisheries issue. The UK are refusing pretty much every application by French boats for entry into British waters. Macron had warned that he would cut the power off to the Channel Islands and the UK who rely on French imported electricity. Also there is a proposed blockade by truck drivers in Calais over the Christmas period.

It is unnerving that all of the other EU leaders left Macron hang out to dry. It was not the collegiate behaviour we need to ensure no breach of the GFA.

It had occurred to me that the huge binders Boris had in the Brexit negotiations which he claimed was the full technology build for electronic borders that were working in several unknown areas have just vanished. Must admit that Kudos should be given to EU negotiators who have to put up with listening to him, Lord Frost et al. I particularly liked the quote from Chris Patten, former Conservative Northern Ireland Minister who "The problem at heart is not the sausages you get from Sainsbury’s but the porkies that we all get, home and abroad, from Downing Street."

It would be great if they were able to come up with an agreeable solution that complies with the GFA and placates the DUP. Peace is of paramount performance.

The other side of the argument says that the vast majority of the UK population could not care less what happens in or to Northern Ireland so suspend the TCA completely and let that impact GB hard and fast with massive queues in Kent as every lorry is inspected in Calais. The British public will fairly quickly demand that the NIP is implemented in full.

I think Farage's latest Cameo shows this off nicely. He helped the campaign to leave the EU and yet has little knowledge of the UK's only border with the EU. I am aware he was tricked into the statement but if he knew anything about the potential leave issues for Northern Ireland he would have instantly recognised the message and not said it. He campaigned heavily for Brexit without the slightest clue of the effect on Northern Ireland and nor did he care about it.

They are doing it to distract .Their only policy is "get Brexit done" and has been since "strong and stable"

Once Brexit isn't an issue people might talk about something else like how useless they are.

This whole ECJ thing came suspiciously soon after a report which states that Johnson's herd immunity strategy got people killed

You are right the report lambasted the government and scientists.

As for the majority see the above "get Brexit done" nonsense. Johnson is certainly good at winning elections with his bus of lies or his catchy slogan but I can't really see any evidence that he is anything other than useless at actually governing.

It's clear now that many in Ireland are furious with England and English voters. This could lead to greater support for Sinn Fein and support for a united Ireland.

That strategy wouldn't make a lot of sense. For one thing, current odds are that the DUP will have a lot less Westminster seats after the 2024 election than they had after the 2017 election so, even if the Tories are a bit short of a majority, there is less chance that the DUP will have enough seats to make the difference. But, more to the point, rather than antagonising the EU to keep the DUP onside on the off-chance that you might need them to form a majority in 2024, wouldn't it make much more sense to seek a good relationship with the EU so that Brexit goes more smoothly and with less damage to maximise yoru chances of winning a majority on your own? Keeping the DUP onside at the cost of a trade war with the EU, and the associated shortages, disruption, unemployment, etc, would likely cost you far more seats in GB than it would gain you allies in NI.

I suppose the point I'm making is the scale of anti English attitude that is on display for a few years now in Ireland and often openly by Irish politicians.

Regularly Irish media and public mock and ridicule English politicians and their voters. This was unthinkable a few years ago.

Where will this anger lead Irish people?

It's another impact of the Brexit vote.

Put it simply They control the English press. Isn't it odd that the other nations that aren't maximum consumers of said papers have a different political makeup

The only paper 'shafting' i.e negatively presenting Boris is the guardian. All other papers have bee fairly uncritical of him sans recently the financial times but mainly opinion pieces and the daily mail only very very recently exposing the handling of covid.

It's disingenuous to say that Tory donors don't control the overall majority of the UK press.

It's definitive evident that without the backing of a widely controlled narrative across the UK press the conservatives would most definitely not be in the position they are currently due to their absolute incompetence and talentless control of various large scale issues over 5 years.

Easy ride is to put it mildly.

This UK/NI situation is becoming a serious issue for the EU.

Johnsonist UK is clearly trying to destabilise the EU and its only EU allies will be Putinist regimes in Poland and Hungary trying to destabilise the EU from within. Anyone suggesting that UK has ANY allies in the EU is insane.

The EU already has plenty of issues to deal with - lukewarm US, Russia disinformation and sabre-rattling, Turkish sabre-rattling, Chinese ascendancy, Afghanistan refugee wave coming, various populist/fascist tendencies in many states, post-Covid recovery, debt...there's plenty. And then on top there's this UK trying to

To me it seems that the 's objective is simply destabilisation and/or deconstruction of the EU. So it becomes effectively Western Russia in that sense. Poland and Hungary will play useful idiots in this game. The Polish Constitutional Court ruling is like a nuke and direct assault of the EU, which the UK regime and Johnsonists propaganda outlets leverage further.