The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

No names and there may not be any. If they don't come then we are talking about emails which could he all just him being his usual crass, jocular self.

But it doesn't matter to you because you are on your self-righteous horse.

And you're defending a bigot, that's your prerogative.

As you said a PRIVATE email.

I was just checking to the see the response on Twitter and the top tweet I saw was someone complaining about gruden resigning and then trying to compare what gruden said to what Micheal vick did. Now what Micheal vick did was horrific but he lost it all and went to prison so he was held accountable for his actions.

And yes people did come out and defend him on the demaurice smith comments but presumably they didn’t know the other comments he’d made. And personally i think putting comments like this down in writing is worse than saying them because I don’t know about anyone else, but when I write an email I put thought into it more so than when I just say things.

On the people defending him - you're exactly right. Case in point is Jermaine Eluemunor. He tweeted last night that Gruden is far from racist and was one of the best coaches he's been around.

A few minutes later, the NYT reported on the next batch of emails. Eluemunor couldn't delete his tweet quick enough, it's now gone.

You can just imagine the "Oh sh1t, no defending that..." moment as he scrambles to delete it.

eagle, you're either incredibly naiive as to how the world works, or just looking for a chat.

There's no way anybody in the modern world can say the things Gruden says as the face of a sports team.

Does that make Gruden a coward in your view?

No one has gone after him with sticks and stones. No one sacked him. People found out who he was and he decided to go. As for acting like this in real life a good example would be the emails he sent which are indeed real life.

In the real world actions have consequences and a coach is meant to be a people manager as well which he will struggle to do now he has been shown up.

• Called DeMaurice Smith (who is black) "Monkey faced"
• Called Roger Goodell a "Fagg0t" and a “clueless anti football pussy"
• Called Joe Biden "A nervous pussy"
• Sent topless photos of Washington Redskins cheerleaders (who were in the middle of a lawsuit for sexual harassment against the Washington franchise) to male colleagues and said they were "juicy ¢ unts"
• Said teams shouldn't be "pressured into drafting queers."

Yeah hes definitely a really nice guy who should be kept in a position of power over people. Hes "just a little crass". Nothing to see here at all. :rolleyes:

If anyone used that sort of language in work emails in any company I know of they'd be fired instantly. This isn't some sort of overly-PC overreaction, its pretty reasonable all things considered.

So do you think it's okay to exchange homophobic, racial and misogynistic slurs by text/email/in person to your friends provided (i) they are not the subject of the slurs, and (ii) the conversation is private and you haven't called anyone those names in person?

Do you think keeping these things private or "in-house" only means that you're not racist, homophobe or misogynist?

And finally, is there a definition of racist, homophobic or misogynistic that I'm not aware of that limits these to public behaviour only?

Allen hasn't worked for a few years, he is a nobody and will never get a job in the NFL again now (many WFT fans would say he should never get a job in the NFL even before this).

Whoever leaked should be protected like any whistleblower. It is far from grim - they did everyone a service by leaking them. The more light that can be shone on this type of activity the better. I am always surprised by people who come out to defend grown men caught up in these situations that they know the 'real' person, like some players and broadcasters who came out for Gruden have learned. How could they possibly know which is the 'real' person, the one they interacted with or the one behind closed doors when they are around other white powerful men and their guard is down? I am much more likely to believe the latter is their 'real' personality of how they see the world than one off relationships in controlled environments.

I saw a good comment that it is no surprise now that the NFL ran to settle with Kaepernick - god knows what his team would have found during discovery that could have taken down a good chunk of the league

By that logic practically every whistleblower in history is 'wrong' in their actions - whistleblowing generally involves leaking private documents or information that were gathered for reasons outside of releasing them to the media.

If Gruden had been honest when the story leaked and owned up that he had sent many emails over the years in the past disparaging many minority groups, apologising, and stepping down I suspect the latest batch of emails wouldn't have come out.

Up until the release of additional emails yesterday Gruden was going to ride out the situation through lying to the media and public. When someone in power is lying it isn't 'wrong' to show evidence of their wrongdoing.

I would never use slurs anywhere personally, I never have them sort of thoughts.

However I believe people are allowed to have privacy and say things which aren't politically correct and that includes in private emails.

My opinions of Gruden are based on following his career over the last 20 or so years and from listening to the many who came out and defended him after this story broke.

I don't like racists, homophobes or misogynists. I meet them regularly and tell them exactly what they are.

However somebody who has worked as a head coach for many years and never had an accusation levelled against him is highly unlikely to be any of those things.

There are people out there who say stupid things that are considered by many as racist, homophobic or misogynistic but they don't actually believe any of it. To me those are stupid people and not bigots. They are people with personality flaws who stupidly make comments to make people think they are different or tough or something but once you stand up to them they back off very quickly.

Thing was s there's many these days that just want to box everything off and get up on their high horse saying look at me I'm not any of those things. They have personality flaws just like the ones I mention above.