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People who are gay using changing rooms

  • 11-10-2021 8:47am
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    This was something which my friends, two of whom are gay, were chatting about at the weekend.

    One of them, who is gay and has been " out and proud" since we were 15, 20 years ago was chatting about his new gym, and one of the other lads made a joke saying it must be great for you, the changing rooms, to which himself being the group messer said it the only reason he goes. we did all fall around the place laughing.

    Is it the same mind you, for a gay man to go to a dressing room, as it would be for a straight man to go to a ladies dressing room? I had actually never thought about it before!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,630 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    No, unless the ladies changing room is full of lesbisns.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In the way that he would see genitalia belonging to people of the sex that he would be attracted to? Yes.

    Your "group" sound like great craic. Hope you all recovered from your collective fall.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,678 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Once you get past the early teenage years, nudity in a non-sexual context is not especially arousing. If you go to, say, a nude beach you're going to see the genitals of whichever gender it is you're attracted to - this is true whether you are gay or straight - but do you become sexually aroused or intrigued by this? Generally not. The truth is that the partially-clad body, or the body that is dressed to impress, is generally more alluring than casual or accidental nakedness.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Is it the same mind you, for a gay man to go to a dressing room, as it would be for a straight man to go to a ladies dressing room? I had actually never thought about it before!

    i think you should think about it a little more. the two scenarios are not comparable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    If you've ever used unisex changing rooms, you'd realise that nobody wanders around checking out all the nude people and staring at them. Everyone does their best to keep to themselves, and at a stretch might steal a glance (men and women). But people in general want to be respectful rather than creepy perverts.

    And after the first couple of times, the "novelty" is gone anyway, and it becomes a distinctly asexual environment rather than a buffet of naked bodies.

    Excepting "gay sauna" clubs (do any of these even exist anymore), I expect gay men don't find the gym changing rooms particularly tantalising, despite what the OP's imaginary friend may have said. Especially when you realise that 90% of men walking naked around changing rooms are wrinklies 60+ and wobbly, chubby hairy feckers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭The Mighty Quinn


    Nudity ≠ Sexual

    Like somebody above said, once you're not a teenager or totally inexperienced, the sight of a naked body suited to your sexual orientation doesn't automatically result in arousal. Sure it might be a nice image, but you're highly unlikely to be standing to attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Once your out of your school years you realize been nude around the same or even opposite sex isn't arousing. I remember one lad in our class in school used to shower fully naked and lads use to run out of the showers when he came in. I laugh now, the efforts we used to go to covering yourself while you dressed. I'd be in the gym changing room now and I'd often find myself chatting to someone, both of us naked for about 10 mins and wouldn't give it a 2nd thought.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thanks all,


    And no, not imaginary friends as one poster pointed out, we are a group of 8 lads who know each other since secondary school, so yes there will be some changes in the group over the years, we all still play rugby with each other and know each other very well. The gay friend in the question above is actually my second child godfather, so there isn't an issue with him, or anyone, who is gay.

    It was merely a question around is it similar for a gay person in a changing room as it is for a straight person in the opposite sex dressing room. I agree with what someone said above, I think the novelty would wear off very quick, and some 80 years old man drying his balls off would def not be fun :)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    The only reason I go to the gym at work (pre pandemic) was to see my slightly out of shape colleagues naked for a few minutes, was so damn hot*


    *may or may not be true



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I hope for your sake its not true. Because that would be absolutely horrible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    As one poster mentioned, you just keep to yourself and act normally. I might steal the very odd glimpse if someone was hot but I definitely wouldn't be leering at anyone like a perv.

    https://gfycat.com/jampackednegativehog-voight-leer



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i have been in the unfortunate position of having had a conversation with my then boss in the changing room in work while he was casually flossing with a towel. even if i had been gay, i suspect it's an image i would still recoil at.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh I can beat that one, a 80-year-old man putting on his socks this morning in the gym, dried himself off then started with the socks, bent over, with nothing else on.

    That was a fun start to the day .


    Fair play to him for hitting the gym at 7 in the morning at his age mind you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    My cousin, sitting down leaning forward with his towel around him said to me one day in a changing room .

    "You'll have to go into the gym me. I have an awful horn on me and i cant get up yet. Did you see that lovely arse on yer man over there."

    Off I went. He came out about 10 mins later and said "Usually it goes down quicker than that one the object of the horn leaves, but this one stayed a while".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Who even cares, I'm one of those people who walks around the gym changing rooms bollock naked with no hang ups. I think I got over it in my early 20s. Unless dudes are like staring my dick/body out of it (and why wouldn't they I'm gorgeous), I couldn't really care less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,640 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    You're my worst nightmare!

    The nudity bit doesn't bother me in the slightest. However, I hate when a stranger tries to initiate small talk with me when we're both starkers.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah...if you are talking for 10 minutes while naked, thats more than a little odd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    It's a bit of a weird question like are all gays obsessed with looking at mickey ?! If women were in there would all the men just stand there looking, i don't think so, like others have said, most people are pretty private and just want to quickly get changed and leave., and i'm deffo one of them.

    i really don't like other men walking around starkers though personally, no one wants to see and generally it's the really ugly ones who do it aswell i mean wtf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The nudity bit doesn't bother me in the slightest. However, I hate when a stranger tries to initiate small talk with me when we're both starkers.

    In Iceland, you're required to shower naked before getting into a swimming pool. They do offer a private cubicle, but most people just use the communal ones, chatting away.

    Off topic, but the weirdest naked encounter I had was in some swimming area in Killiney popular with naturists. It was February, I was invited there by someone who didn't swim naked. I brought my wetsuit and snorkeling gear (not knowing until I got there that it was a naturist spot) because it was fúcking cold. Sitting on a step putting on my fins, and this naked old guy comes over, bits dangling exactly at my head height, with his hands on his hips, to encourage me to shed the suit and enjoy the freedom he obviously did. The freezing water clearly had no anatomical effect on him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    The OP and his friends.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yes I saw there naked recently myself when I saw other people were doing it of both sexes, it's kind of freeing. Some real Victorian attitudes on this thread!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    It is a lethal combination of Victorian attitudes and catholic guilt. It seems we are getting more prudish then we were previously. God forbid anyone might see a bit of flesh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,678 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I don't know that it has to do either with Victorian attitudes or with Catholic guilt. I think it's a consequence of a culture which is generally more open about sex, and therefore more sexualised; we are more likely to read sexual or erotic significance into events or situations that, in the past, we would have seen as having negligible sexual significance.

    We see this in changing rooms where younger adults (who are nevertheless old enough to be beyond the age of adolescent self-consciousness) are more inclined to cover up as much as possible while older people are more comfortable being naked in a changing room because, hey, it's a changing room; that's the whole point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I think you've very much got that backwards tbh. Cultures which are less open about sex, tend towards more sexualisation of the mundane. Cultures which are more open about it, see sexual themes in sexual places rather than in the everyday.

    One could point to the US as being a counter-example, but the US is schizophrenic. Publically very prudish, very puritanical. But privately very open. This creates the split personality where even the slightest double entendre or exposed ankle in public is exciting and sexual. Where someone might have a sex swing in their basement, but if the neighbour did some topless sunbathing, they'll call the cops. Because the requirement is that nudity remains private and therefore any suggestion of public nudity is sexual. People in the US get on the sex offenders' register for taking a piss in public. That's what being closed about sex does.


    Other cultures which are actually open publically about sex; think most of Europe; do not automatically sexualise nudity. Because nudity is not automatically a private matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,678 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Yeah, on reflection I think you're right. Contrast the attitude to nudity in saunas and swimming pools, say, between the UK/UK on the one hand and the Nordic countries on the other.

    I don't think it's a Catholic/Protestant thing, obviously, since both the US/UK and the Nordic countries are historically predominantly Protestant cultures. And it's not even a puritan thing, since they are both marked by puritanism in their own ways. Maybe it comes down to the US being puritanical about sex and alcohol, and Nordic countries being puritantical about alcohol but not sex (and Ireland being puritanical about sex but not alcohol).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    i dont think its really a 'thing' ?

    Have been involved in lots of different sports, and showering afterwards, never noticed men taking more than a glance.

    But thats normal i guess ?

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭The Mighty Quinn


    Maybe you're just nothing special to look at 😁😋



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Well, I can only use my own example as a gay man who uses gyms and swimming pools and has done so for years and years - oddly enough I don't stare, get a boner or grope some unsuspecting guy in the showers.


    Newsflash: self-restraint is very possible in changing rooms - and 90 per cent of people in changing rooms are really nothing special to look at. 👍👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Youve dashed the hopes of a lot of lads in here !!

    😜

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,355 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The whole subject area is quite interesting, given the changing times we live in. What to do to accommodate all sexualities and genders while not alienating others?

    To be honest, as a straight man, I wouldn't give too figs if there were gay men in a changing area I was using. In fact there has almost certainly been lots of times in the past that there were, but who would ever know, because everyone knows to be mutually respectful and just get on with using the changing area and move on.

    I know there are gyms and saunas and bathhouses run by and for gay men and thats cool too, whatever makes you happy, but again I'm sure thats understood by everyone who uses them, so nobody can claim to be naive about that.

    I think the main issue is still unisex facilities. I was in one in Germany a few years back that made good sense in its design. It was in a water park. You enter from the reception lobby and before you are a long rank of individual doors. Some are sized for single occupancy, some big enough to for a parent and a couple of kids to change. On the far side of the cubicle is another door that leads to the shower area and pool access. Swimwear is compulsory on that side and people shower off while wearing them in frosted glass stalls. It seems to work well enough, I only heard tell that sometimes horny teens grab a family cubicle for a quick fumble, but there are attendants keeping an eye for that stuff.

    I think the biggest issue is still unisex bathrooms. I was in the Lighthouse cinema lately with my missus. You may know the bathroom in the upstairs lobby is unisex, just sinks and stalls. Both of us went in and my wife found herself in a stall between me, emptying the bladder noisely into the pan and a fat bloke evacuating a foul stench with associated stereo soundtrack on the other side. She got stage fright and left for the separate disabled toilet, unrelieved.

    Toilet traditions are very different for women and men I think and no doubt different again for those that identify as neither. Maybe the long term solution is a sealed cubicle with sink and toilet inside for everyone, though there are obvious cost and security considerations with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    What's the question


    Should gay men be allowed use male changing rooms ?


    Would never occur to me that they shouldn't



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I know this sounds a little perverted but as a single gay guy it’s an opportunity to see a few naked lads.

    id never dream of of making a move on any nit you get what I mean



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Who cares. Unless you are an African football fan.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thankfully, the changing rooms I use have a booking system due to covid atm which means they're fairly sparsely populated and I can get dressed safely. Wouldn't fancy being perved at by some perve all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,281 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I would like to refute the points made by people saying that seeing a naked body of your attractive sex does not arouse you. Lies. It does. While extremely few and far between, unless the nekkid person was completely against what I find attractive, it's arousing. He may not react, but still aroused. I don't understand how people don't get aroused by the naked body of that they find sexual interest in.

    Never been in a communal changing room, probably for the better. Well, unless you count Mosney or those swimming places that have pods in a communal area. I don't mind the male nekkidness, and wouldn't be thinking that there's another lad in there perving on me (extremely doubtful, I wouldn't perv on me, and I'm a perv). Doesn't matter, the attention is usually taken away by that one lad who looks like he wants people to be looking at him naked. Takes ages to get dressed and makes a point of ensuring he's not hiding anything. I tried to cover myself up as quickly as possible, because there could be someone in there who doesn't like the nakedness, and we should consider those people too imo.

    Anyway, I'm a grower, so nothing to be showing off unless standing to attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Paulownia


    Am I odd, I like being naked with other people, both men and women



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  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭Amenhotep


    unisex changing rooms ?

    do these exist ?

    with showers and all ?? nah , don't buy it ...



  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭Amenhotep


    I agree to an extent, we used to go to a nude beach close to us a lot, and you're right, one wouldn't get excited as it was the norm and when you yourself are naked it just puts a block there .


    But at the same time, you can certainly appreciate attractive nudey ladies ... I know I did ... but yeah as you say, not the same as a sexual encounter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,630 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Sometimes it does, sometimes not. Context is much more important than the actual body.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,281 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    True, but when I see a naked body that attracts me, my mind creates the context. I have a very active imagination. Potentially on the spectrum, but don't see a need to be tested. So my mind does what it does when sober and goes into overdrive. It creates situations in seconds. I obviously don't react, but even if it's not what i'm attracted to, my mind will "remind" me of what I am simply because I saw naked.

    Just explaining my own mind, everyone is different, I agree. But that association my mind plays is something I'm sure everyone experiences to some degree. I just happen to be overactive in that department. But that applies for anything I'm interested in. My mind goes into overdrive and creates situations and scenarios that don't, but could, exist. Quick example, I see naked body - mmmm - naked body hot - Mila Kunis hot - naked Mila Kunis.

    I do realise this does potentially paint me as an incel type, as much as I don't like using that word, but I'm not. I'm just willing to be honest about myself. This all happens while I walk on by. The initial object or person that initiates it could be well gone out of my view, but the mind continues. I forget 95% of these. Tbh, it's why I smoke. Stalls that down to a normal level. Doctor tried to give me chemicals with potential side effects of increased suicidal tendencies... ah, no thanks, this works fine! Rambling now, time for a smoke!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I would like to refute the points made by people saying that seeing a naked body of your attractive sex does not arouse you. Lies. It does.

    It doesn't though. For example, if you're attracted to women, but have a particular preference for big breasted women, then the sight of a woman with a completely flat chest (just considering bodies, nothing else) is unlikely to arouse you. Just as I'm attracted to men, but the vast majority of "normal" guys don't have great bodies... Hell, they don't even have good bodies. Btw, There's a decided difference between arousal and attraction.

    My mind goes into overdrive and creates situations and scenarios that don't, but could, exist. Quick example, I see naked body - mmmm - naked body hot - Mila Kunis hot - naked Mila Kunis.

    Whereas when I see a naked body, it's just a naked body. Big deal. I've seen a lot of nudity over the decades. I think a lot comes down to personal experience. When I was a teenager or young man, I would react strongly to nudity because it was so uncommon for me to see. Now, after living actively with both men and women.. nope. The sight is nothing particularly amazing. However, if I'm touched, skin to skin.. now that's what really arouses me (that's especially true after the Covid period and my dating has been non-existent).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,281 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Please, elaborate. Or gonna leave it at an attempted jibe?

    @[Deleted User] Yes, I agree. But do you not have association? I don't think like that just walking through the street. But if someone walked past me naked, I'd notice, and even if I don't initially like what I see, it'll remind of what I do like to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    no there is a complete double standard in everything regarding this issue.

    Some normal teenage guy peers into the girls changing room and he gets expelled from school and is charged by the police. A homosexual guy can just go into the changing room and perv away and if you object to this then it is implied that there is something wrong with you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    I'm from the older generation and use a leisure centre changing room almost daily. You get to see the same people there regularly. There are, I suspect, some gay men, among the familiar faces. Regardless of whoever is in the changing room I exercise my own standard of etiquette. I don't stare at anyone getting dressed or going to the shower and I casually cover my bits when doing the same. Doesn't bother me if they're straight or gay, it's not a sexual situation .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Do you go to the gym yourself?

    Around 10% of them are gay. Do you see any going around with woodys in the changing room?

    I don’t think it's a big a deal as you'd like it to be tbh



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