"Green" policies are destroying this country

Akrasia · 01-10-2021 9:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117964097#Comment_117964097

What’s so good about becoming reliant on dirty gas imports from abroad?

Ireland could be a global leader in wind power. We could have a sovereign wealth fund from exporting 30gw of electricity to Europe. Or we could be at the back of the queue for fracked gas imports…

Tell me how · 01-10-2021 9:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117965206#Comment_117965206

Few people will admit, but I suspect the thought process for many of these you allude to is 'I've 40-50 years left, I don't give a fcuk about what problems may impact anyone who isn't me.'

Unfortunately it is a even a shorter timespan for politicians who have a choice being doing something meaningful or ignoring it so as to not impact future election chances.

Akrasia · 01-10-2021 9:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117964925#Comment_117964925

The greens were acting on the best evidence at the time. They didn’t know the big automakers were conspiring to falsify their emissions test results. Why are you blaming the greens instead of the fossil fuel industry and the auto industry that deliberately lied to bypass regulations?

dudley72 · 01-10-2021 10:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117964925#Comment_117964925

Even this week VW lost another court battle for software which was detecting the test and reducing emissions. That’s how many years after the first failure?

The greens like everyone else based the decision on the information at hand, not knowing that all the car companies had lied to get the results

dudley72 · 01-10-2021 10:13pm

I think everyone should be reminded all the political parties voted for the Paris Agreement. Shouting about The Greens as if they are the solo party trying to look after teh future is wrong

Akrasia · 01-10-2021 10:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117965243#Comment_117965243

Yeah. This is why a potential short term bread shortage today is headline news that sparks panic buying and fights in shops, but a potential inability to grow enough wheat to feed everyone in the future is barely a consideration

dudley72 · 01-10-2021 10:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117964228#Comment_117964228

They don’t recommend to buy a brand new car, Eamonn himself ran an old diesel for years as it was better than buying a new one

the recommendation is if you are buying a new car then go electric. That’s a huge difference

magicbastarder · 01-10-2021 10:31pm

the greens are so powerful that if a green party member simply gets within 1km of a coal fired power station or nuclear reactor, their personal green aura actually shuts the reactor down.

or, if we were to take the OP at face value, despite the greens being one third the size of either of the other two parties - or one seventh of the sitting government, they have managed to start to destroy the country from that position of being a junior partner in a three way coalition, and there's obviously nothing FF or FG are able to do to stop them.

Akrasia · 01-10-2021 10:49pm

Brexit is an excellent analogy to climate change denial

people who were convinced to vote against their own interests, screaming to get what they want, and 5 years later screaming to be protected from what they voted for

Fred Cryton · 01-10-2021 10:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117964484#Comment_117964484

China emissions are 500 times higher than ours. Let that sink in for a moment.

And get this - China is planning 43 NEW coal fired power plants. Not only are they not reducing, they are rapidly increasing emissions.

So what little Ireland does, considering we have no heavy polluting industry like steel and chemicals to speak of anyway, is completely and utterly inconsequential. We could go to zero emissions and Chinas increase in emissions over a couple of weeks will make up the difference, and that's no exaggeration. This is a TOTAL con.

If it is indeed a practical problem, then do something about China, otherwise you just sound childishly ridiculous.

SEPT 23 1989 · 01-10-2021 11:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117965608#Comment_117965608

The new narrative post pandemic in the scam is that we are not allowed to discuss what other nations are doing

so your man next door is burning car tyres daily out his back garden but you need to worry about separating your recyclables for the green bin

Jizique · 01-10-2021 11:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117965229#Comment_117965229

Did David mcWilliams or Boris Johnson tell you that?

01-10-2021 11:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117965608#Comment_117965608

China is the pivotal nation at the moment for where the world goes in terms of climate change.

Stunning tweet here from Peter Zeihan who I follow closely, China's population had been expected to half by 2100, then revised to 2070, now a report saying 2050. Seems way too quick a timeline for me despite their tfr crashing very close to one recently. I haven't read the report yet (needs an account) but would be a game changer to a certain extent.

https://twitter.com/PeterZeihan/status/1444046545431764993?s=19

Markus Antonius · 01-10-2021 11:26pm

Green policies are good for prodigy Pascal's bank account. Think of all the tax generated by the hike in electricity prices, the "carbon" tax, tax on car emissions

And if anyone dares complain he'll flick up his nose and talk down to the lot of us and give us his buzz phrases like "We're investing in our future", "We all have to do our part" "Nobody said going green would be cheap".

Aand then everyone votes them back into power in the next election. (even though we only vote for them so socialists Sinn Fein don't get in. Christ we're fkd no matter what)

BobHopeless · 01-10-2021 11:33pm

People have to except humans aren't going to change their ways. It's already too late. Just enjoy life.

NIMAN · 02-10-2021 12:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117965748#Comment_117965748

I'm not getting this at all.

China has a population of 1.4bn.

How is it going to halve in the next 29 years? Even if there wasn't another child born in China for the next 29 years, surely those figures still aren't going to happen?

Mad_maxx · 02-10-2021 12:06am

A nuclear power plant has no chance of being green lit here

We object to everything being built ,nothing we love more than getting all worked up in opposition

Our PR electoral system alone would make it career suicide for politicians

02-10-2021 12:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117965909#Comment_117965909

Ya, I can't access the report and the timeline looks too quick in my opinion as well. They are going to see rapid population fall but I would have thought it would be between 2070 and 2100 as other reports have said.

2 things that may accelerate the decline, the Chinese government claim the current tfr is 1.3 but there are reports out there claiming it's closer to 1 already. This to me is believable when you see that South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Thailand are already around 1, South Korea is sub 1 now which is unprecedented.

Also reports that China's population is overestimated by up to 130 million people and is closer to 1.27 billion than 1.4 billion.

Whatever the truth is China to me is on a downward trajectory, whether or not this helps climate change is probably a much more complicated question.

02-10-2021 12:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117965608#Comment_117965608

And what about the benefits to ourselves?

NIMAN · 02-10-2021 12:26am

But if China stops being a global power, where are we going to get our cheap plastic tat from?

c.p.w.g.w · 02-10-2021 12:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117964123#Comment_117964123

Typically the land beef/lamb graze on isn't suitable for crops...also grasslands may be more efficient carbon sinks compared to forests...

Also beef is one of the most nutritional dense foods in the world...

musings · 02-10-2021 12:43am

Why do people who think they care about the environment think that Nuclear is the answer? The only technology that has rendered parts of the earth uninhabitable is NUCLEAR! Nuclear produces elements that don't exist in nature and are extremely poisonous!

Civilian Nuclear power began in the 1950s and has so far produced several "exclusion zones" around the world contaminated by nuclear materials. Chernobyl, Fukushima, Mayak etc. Thats in just 70 years! Think long term....say 1000 years or 10,000 years of nuclear poison being released into the environment, how much of the planet will be poisoned by then?

Even the most modern nuclear power plant on the planet i.e. the French designed Taishan Nuclear Power Plant in China has already had an accident and it's not even working 3 years! https://www.rfi.fr/en/international/20210614-french-nuclear-firm-investigates-possible-leak-at-china-s-taishan-epr-plant-framatome-energy-radioactive-safety

Ireland should not build a nuclear power plant. Ireland should produce as much renewable energy as possible while continuing to use fossil fuels until somebody comes up with a reliable, safe, nuclear reactor, that doesn't produce any hazardous waste, then we should change...

Multipass · 02-10-2021 12:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117965370#Comment_117965370

you can’t call it a recommendation when they’re hell bent on financial penalties for those who can’t follow the ‘recommendation’. Road tax by emissions hits the older cars and the poorest in society. Ditto heating oil increases. I voted green all my life until the winter of 2010.

c.p.w.g.w · 02-10-2021 12:47am

Nuclear when done properly produces zero waste compared to fossil fuels...

The current technology is miles ahead of the Soviet stuff, the Japanese plant was built in a poor location...

We need to

+reduce population (worldwide)

But that's not gonna happen

musings · 02-10-2021 1:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117965979#Comment_117965979

Zero Waste? Please provide an example of where nuclear produces "Zero Waste"

As I pointed out in my post.... the latest nuclear technology you refer to has leaked within 3 years of going live....

c.p.w.g.w · 02-10-2021 1:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117966001#Comment_117966001

Sorry should have said "practically zero"...

Pa ElGrande · 02-10-2021 1:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117965229#Comment_117965229

You can only sell electricity when it is demanded and random energy sources like wind and solar cannot guarantee delivery. As a direct consequence the wind turbine and solar panel park operators cannot ensure reliable delivery and command a price premium and will continue to rely on subsidy from local taxpayers. Not only that coal and gas plants on standby have to be maintained and will need to be subsidised in future, since they can deliver power on demand they can command a premium price, this is what happens in Germany today, the random energy sources generate power and must be consumed first by law and during peak demand Polish and Swiss power operators supply power to Germans at a premium price, thus Swiss and Polish customers get cheap subsidised electricity, German consumers are not so lucky.

Here is recent example of the indeterminacy of random energy sources ~2900 MW drop in a short period, it does not matter how many turbines there are have when the wind does not blow there is no output, to balance the grid coal and gas are needed since we only import nuclear.

Further when ALL of those older wind turbines reach end of life after fifteen to twenty years, it’s not like they just put a new generator on top of the existing steel column. They are all old technology, with supports the height determined by the blade length to drive the generator that was designed at the time, all of them under 2MW.

You CANNOT put a new larger turbine on top of the pole because the new ones require commensurately longer blades to drive the larger turbines, and towers now double the height of those earlier smaller ones, so the existing structure is now rendered totally useless.

It then becomes a case of constructing a whole NEW plant to replace the old one, and completely removing the older one. You cannot even use the existing humongous concrete foundation, because that is designed for the tower size of those older structures.

There’s no such thing as a "brown field" wind power plant and I wonder if the cost of removal of the old plant was factored in at the front end?

Over 400 old wind turbines go offline in state of Brandenburg after losing support payments

Hundreds of wind turbines in the eastern German state of Brandenburg will be decommissioned this year because they will lose their guaranteed funding after 20 years in operation and can no longer be operated profitably, public broadcaster rbb reports. In an answer to a parliamentary inquiry, the state’s environment ministry said 429 turbines will be taken offline by the end of the year, out of a fleet of about 3,900 installations. Thousands of turbines across the country that started operation during or just after the year 2000 are at risk of going offline due to no longer being economically viable.

Larbre34 · 02-10-2021 1:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117965251#Comment_117965251

I'm afraid that doesn't get them off the hook.

First, not all the car makers falsified the tests. Quite irrelevant of who did or did not, that particular scandal had little to do with environmental concerns. It was always known that NOx was a human health concern, but not particularly an environmental one.

The Greens focussed only on CO2 emissions due to its greenhouse impact. So if they did get the best advice about diesel, it would have included the then well known concerns about NOx. They either minimised those, or ignored them entirely, because there is simply no way they weren't part of the overall science their policy people would have had access to.

Atlantic Dawn · 02-10-2021 1:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117966030#Comment_117966030

If they ever looked as Adblue avoidance devices in the trucking industry here it would open a new seem of pure gold for a young and upcoming reporter to expose.

Pa ElGrande · 02-10-2021 1:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058211251/green-policies-are-destroying-this-country

This is not solely a Green party induced problem, almost the entire Irish political spectrum is involved. Bertie Ahern signed us up to the Kyoto protocol in 1997 and Enda Kenny signed us up to the Paris agreement in 2015. The Irish political establishment take their orders from the EU, the Greens are just the convenient whipping boys, Sinn Fein are just as bad and much more woke. It goes much deeper the education curriculum is supplied by NGOs such as An Taisce who along with Trocaire, Friends of the Earth and Stop the Climate Chaos are all tied it with the international Climate Action Network NGO (Greenpeace, Oxfam and many more), the media just pump out clickbait turning every weather event into climate catastrophes and professors such as John Sweeney in Maynooth University use computer models based on scenario RCP 8.5 to project disaster in the future. This childs diagram drawn by Lorna Gold of Maynooth University is a representation of the different RCP scenarios. RTE regulaly put out climate propaganda and their style guide is taken from a US based activist organisation. And you are surprised that the electorate is so compliant?

"Green" policies are destroying this country

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