"Green" policies are destroying this country

I was just about to look for this kind of information as I'm not an expert in this area, so ta for that.

However the general point I would make is that it's really complicated and this issue is just one issue related to climate change of many.

It is an argument for people to become vegan which is highly unlikely to happen and how would you work out how many people need to become vegan. And what would you do for milk and eggs no mind the meat. And if alternatives were used for cows milk what would the environment consequences of the alternatives be. That would then be the next target of the environmentalists because productions of the alternatives would have to increase.

The other day I was listening to a conversation about bathroom products, shampoo, conditioners, kitchen products also. That's another area that's being targeted. Suggestions were you could use vinegar to condition your hair.

So it's going to be never ending. Every facet of what we consume is under attack and the only way the environmentalists are going to be satisfied is if we all live like hippies. It's just not going to happen.

I'm all for doing as much as we can reduce pollution but it can only be reduced to a level and emissions can only be reduced to a level, but would that be enough to stall climate change anyway? Minefield of an issue.

There are a lot of different opinions among environmentalists. Yes, you will have the extremes who will say we should only walk, cycle or use public transport and all cars should be banned, then you would have the others who will say that aeroplanes are fine if they could use renewables or hydrogen. Same with food, some vegans, others looking at artificial meat as a solution.

So there is a spectrum of opinion. What government needs to do is pick out the most sensible policies from these.

I agree with the OP, I don’t see how me freezing half to death throughout the winter whilst the greens in their brand new build passive houses stay toasty warm is fair. Since when is manufacturing a brand new car ‘greener’ than keeping an existing one running? I’m interested in local environment, preserving wild areas to improve the citizens quality of life as well as retaining what biodiversity we have left. Climate change is not going to be stopped by Europe, we should be diverting all of our resources into becoming more self sufficient and insulated from the global shocks that are coming.

we should be diverting all of our resources into becoming more self sufficient and insulated from the global shocks that are coming.

This may seem like a an exaggerated dramatic statement, but an isolate approach to Global warming mitigation will result in more pain and suffering through conflict at a regional level, if not an outright global one as America and probably China look to secure resources.

Isolation leads people to basolving themselves on all sides using the argument, 'we can't do enough, so why should we try' or 'why should we do something when they aren't doing anything' as each country looks for a way out rather than the shared responsibility and holding people accountable which is intended through common agreements.

The 'ourselves only' type of political strategising is not going to end well, for anyone involved, the only question is will it be within 10 years or 100 that the price will have to be paid.

Oh yes, of course! China is destroying the global environment so you know what, let's all join in. Just **** it all. Bright future ahead for humanity with that mindset alright.

And 'hysteria'? Are you for real? Most people have barely modified their lifestyle at all to help to any great degree. The planet's eco systems are still in rapid decline due to the unbridled level of consumption in the West of clothing, international shipments, technology, transport, building construction and food such as meat and the extremely varied internationally sourced diet. We need a whole lot more hysteria considering the **** storm that is our current environmental reality if we are to stand even the slightest chance, wayy to much discussion , we need swift action.

Interestingly it only took about 10 years from the discovery of nuclear power till they had a nuclear power station running. If it was only discovered this year they'd be humming and hawing over it for another 30 before they'd actually try to build one.

We should buy more Chinese solar panels and electric cars in order to reduce the price of coal / oil so the Chinese can burn more of it

Lets see what would happen over here if the tree huggers tried to block stressed motorists on their journey to work, something these dirty crusties know very little about.

Climate change needs to be addressed, nobody denies that but pissing ordinary working people off isn't the way to go about it.

And thats all the Greens in this country do is piss people off, some of the guff ryan has come out with is laughable, and thats when he is not asleep when he sould be working.

Someone should do a body count of how many lives were lost in this country with the Greens promotion of the diesel car through tax cuts.

Did I say in the post they didn't sign us up to it, you must be mixing me up with another poster or else you seem to think I'm a FF/FG voter with is also incorrect.

What I actually was doing was pointing out the stupidity of blocking roads and how Ryan is clueless about life outside the M50, you aren't going to bring the people with you by making ridiculous comments which he does, hell even half his own party have no confidence in him.

I wouldn’t like to be a member of the Green Party by the end of this winter

they should stay in the comfort of the middle class dinner party set waffling on about their fears for the environment because they are so comfortable and bored in their own existence that they have fcuk all else to worry about

the devil makes work for idle hands

Well this thread is useful. It easily identifies all the brain dead boardsies

its gas, the slight prospect of power cuts are ‘ruining Ireland’ but people who warn about consequences from climate change are all alarmists

ireland should have been preparing for the transition to carbon neutral energy for decades, but people like the OP and everyone who thanked it are the reason why we got nothing but denial and Empty rhetoric, leaving us with a mountain to climb in a very short time