F1 2021 Round 15:Russian Grand Prix 2021

MadYaker · 26-09-2021 2:38pm

Max sounds happy with that

Itssoeasy · 26-09-2021 2:38pm

In fairness McLaren were on the radio to Lando about the rain and Lando just wanted to concentrate on the race which is fine but if the team says it’s time for inters then he needs to listen to them.

bucketybuck · 26-09-2021 2:38pm

That wasn't brave, that was poor from McLaren, they had all the info and should have been stronger in dictating strategy rather than leaving it all to the guy chasing his first win. Of course he is going to be emotive and plump for the hail mary rather than the sensible call, but it was never the right call.

Frank Bullitt · 26-09-2021 2:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941582#Comment_117941582

After starting last, and being nowhere at the mid point, I would be over the moon myself.

26-09-2021 2:40pm

Verstappen at the end had his own adventure that wasn't part of the main story. :P

26-09-2021 2:42pm

It's funny, I wouldn't have said either of the top 2 had a great race by their standards until the weather intervened.

waynescales1 · 26-09-2021 2:43pm

Bottas ends up P5 after a woeful race.

PsychoPete · 26-09-2021 2:43pm

100 wins for Hamilton is an incredible achievement

Frank Bullitt · 26-09-2021 2:43pm

Usually you get a crazy result and an unexpected winner/podium after races like that. Merc were tailored to this track so they will be very happy to get the win, regardless of the fashion of it.

Max getting second on the weekend he takes his penalty, yup, he will be happy.

Captain_Crash · 26-09-2021 2:44pm

Is it just me of did Lewis give a look back at the red bull pulling into the P2 position with a bit of confusion thinking did Max actually finish 2nd?!? Seemed to take the wind out of his celebration!

devnull · 26-09-2021 2:46pm

Good old Damon Hill, Schumacher still living rent free in his mind, with his dig at Verstappen about wheel to wheel racing.

ctrl-alt-delete · 26-09-2021 2:46pm

What sort of a question is that to Max - "Quite a reflief to get a clean race under your belt?"

Hijpo · 26-09-2021 2:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941606#Comment_117941606

I thought as well, he gave it a bit of a stare as if it took a few seconds to realise who it was.

PsychoPete · 26-09-2021 2:47pm

Damon Hill is awful

errlloyd · 26-09-2021 2:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941617#Comment_117941617

And yet not ask him about LCL almost taking his wing.

thefa · 26-09-2021 2:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941598#Comment_117941598

I think that’s the thing about very late rain - gambles can get punished and rewarded massively. Vertsappen didn’t deserve second either. Feel sorry for the likes of Norris and Perez who deserved podiums.

McFly85 · 26-09-2021 2:53pm

Hill is adamant that Max is a dirty driver, it’s a dreadful question to be asking someone who finished P2. He’d never ask Lewis that.

Was a really interesting race, devastating for Norris, I thought he had it in the bag!

Hamilton deservedly gets his 100th win, Mercedes team was faultless today.

Red Bull will be happy though, new PU and virtually no penalty. Roll on Turkey!

Itssoeasy · 26-09-2021 2:57pm

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It was a stupid question. Craig slater tried to get Lewis to bite on a max question yesterday and to be fair to Lewis he didn’t take the bait.

klose · 26-09-2021 2:57pm

Ah seb, you were cutting through the field on drys and then left it too late for inter, stroll not doing him any favours lately.

Obviously Hamilton and Mercedes will be delighted with the result but max getting p2 from p20 will definitely sour it somewhat. You'd imagine it's advantage red bull with a fresh engine in the back and they were saying on sky there's rumours around the paddock that Lewis will have to take a new PU by thr end of the season.

For lando, its a gut punch and he'll have to learn from it too, you have to trust your team on the pit wall. All in all, as good a race as you'll get in sochi, the season will go down as a great one in the history books.

26-09-2021 2:58pm

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I disagree, Max passed a lot of cars before the rain. These were not all slow cars either.

He went from last into the points very quickly.

Joeface · 26-09-2021 3:00pm

All forgiven Russia for this year. I don't know where to begin. Lando Norris was brilliant it was his race , but I think the inexperience here caught him , he should have come in the lap after Hamilton pitted he would have been defending a podium at least then . Very disappointed for him .

After a terrible start form Hamilton and I was like the commentators thinking Max had made so much places Hamilton was on his list . But after Riccardo pitted Hamilton was flying . He really did drive a great race . He made short work of those between him and Lando.

So many things could have happened .Max was going to lose a place to Leclecre and dropped down to seventh ...was it . And then rain ..and finished P2. And Leclecre falls out of the points .

Brilliant for Sainz to get to podium .

I could write essays . That was excellent entrainment.

Keeps the championship close .

flazio · 26-09-2021 3:03pm

I reckon the race was lost for Norris as soon as the rain arrived. Even if he boxed at the right time, he would have got caught by Lewis

Brian CivilEng · 26-09-2021 3:07pm

Wow what an end to that race. Feel for Norris but his time will come soon. Still unsure how Max made up all those places, just chose the perfect time to put.

The (pre-rain) moment the race was won in my opinion was Lewis' call to box, and Ricciardo's slow pit stop. Ricc comes out ahead of Ham things would be completely different. Moments like that remind me what I love about F1.

Now to get some work done so I can relax and watch Indy later.

JeffKenna · 26-09-2021 3:07pm

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Not sure, they both box and he comes out ahead. I can't see Hamilton taking a risk to pass him in those conditions.

Zookey123 · 26-09-2021 3:11pm

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It is genuinely strange to see a comment here about how great this race was. Usually just fanboys sniping at drivers they don't like. I agree Lando was brilliant today and I felt so bad seeing him lose control. He will learn from this just like Lewis did in 2007 and become a better driver.

Joeface · 26-09-2021 3:13pm

Lando and Hamilton were 30sec plus ahead of Sainz/Perez before the rain so they had a huge time advantage to a judge the rain impact . Even Lando had time to keep at least P2 if he waited the lap longer than Hamilton , I'm not sure why the pit wall couldn't convince him it was a fools errand staying out the points risk against Ferrari was too valuable . Pity, in the dry McLaren again had the race on merit .

McFly85 · 26-09-2021 3:14pm

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I think the only way he wins it would be deciding to pit ahead of Hamilton. It would have been interesting to see what if Hamilton would have done had that happened, would he have gambled on staying out.

ireallydontknow · 26-09-2021 3:16pm

Agree with the sentiment expressed a few times here that McLaren almost entirely to blame for failing to bring Norris in. They gave Norris no indication that the conditions were set to worsen, instead asking him what he thought of the conditions, implying the only factor was whether he could continue to manage with the conditions as they were. Norris was getting increasingly agitated with communications from his engineer and was clearly not in a position to make a considered judgement about the conditions. With Mercedes having called Hamilton in a lap earlier, it should have been an easy call for McLaren to make.

In exchange for the Norris win, I'll take the Verstappen 2nd place. But the ideal would have been Norris pitting and Hamilton deciding to stay out and being fcuked over by the rain.

errlloyd · 26-09-2021 3:16pm

I really think F1, Liberty, Sky etc need to improve the way they communicate information about what is happening on track.

They give us plenty of useless data, lots of kind of crap analysis. There is definitely opportunities for them to tell stories more effectively.

I know it happens very quickly etc, but if Im being honest I've no idea what happened in the top ten over the last six laps other than Lando and Lewis. It just seemed to be unexplainable chaos with crofty shouting at us. When actually they have a lot of tools to tell us what cohorts have pitted first and what tires they are on. Simplify the interface, no need to give us actual laptimes, just give us a heat map that visualises their speed relative to each other.

fe1ki5 · 26-09-2021 3:21pm

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I don't think it's up for negotiation - Max IS a dirty racer - hes taken more cars out in his short career than Alonso and Hamilton combined!! Hill rightly called him out at Monza for tactically taking out Lewis with him - all fun and games until someone gets a car bounced off their head.

fe1ki5 · 26-09-2021 3:24pm

This season has really seen a revival of the sport - Not just with people jumping on the Drive to Survive hype - it has become less predictable and it is great to see!

the championship title is so close, it is just a shame it wont finish in Brazil - but maybe we will still get a repeat of 2008 with the championship being won on the last corner!

Joeface · 26-09-2021 3:26pm

Please don't descend the thread in to Lewis V Max . This was great race for us there with out going in to the who is better and who is more dangerous or who is at fault. Both were good entrainment today and worth the price of the ticket.

antodeco · 26-09-2021 3:37pm

My favourite part was when Alonso shot through corner 2 and came out in second/third I think? Obviously the had to give the places back though

ctrl-alt-delete · 26-09-2021 3:39pm

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A favourite trick of mine on the game,

They just didn't mention that really, I was wondering how they would work out where he should be.

Joeface · 26-09-2021 3:40pm

Ha yeah, I didn't think he gave the places back. I think the hard tires meant stroll and co got just after that again . Apparently he tested it on the formation lap .

Captain_Crash · 26-09-2021 4:18pm

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The best part is that he didn’t even have to give them back! He had the move into P3 before we went off and was entitled to come back on and keep the place!

recyclebin · 26-09-2021 4:28pm

I think Alonso should have been penalised for that move myself. He deliberately left the track, he didn't make a mistake and wasn't crowded off the track.

bucketybuck · 26-09-2021 4:33pm

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Just listening to a clip again on the news, "Lando, what do you think about inters?"

Its clear that they thought inters were the right choice, that they could see the rain and what everybody else was doing.

But instead of making the decision they ask the guy who is 21 years old, never won a race before but now leading into the final 4 laps with Lewis Hamilton only one second behind, who is clearly emotive on the radio calls and feeling the pressure, and who doesn't have all the information.

They were also 30+ seconds ahead of 3rd place. The decision was easy there but instead they ask Lando what he thinks about inters. That is shocking from the McClaren pitwall.

recyclebin · 26-09-2021 4:37pm

I'd like to hear all the communications between the team and Norris before judging who was to blame. We only heard snippets on the live feed and the team would have loads of information about how wet it was all around the track. As soon as Hamilton pitted they should have hedged their bets and just just pitted the lap after. Lando is a good driver on inters so he would have finished second or at least challenged Hamilton for the win.

recyclebin · 26-09-2021 4:41pm

Four points finishes for Russell in the last five races. I can't wait to see in a Mercedes next year.

MadYaker · 26-09-2021 5:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941968#Comment_117941968

Lando Norris' Radio During Dramatic Russian GP Finish - YouTube

Frank Bullitt · 26-09-2021 5:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941606#Comment_117941606

Tried to find a video of it, but I can't get one.

flazio · 26-09-2021 5:09pm

Smallest of silver linings for Norris.

https://twitter.com/JennieGow/status/1442159109910970373?s=19

ireallydontknow · 26-09-2021 5:25pm

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Add to that that it's exceedingly difficult to drive in the rain, requiring supreme attentiveness to the signals given by the car.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117941968#Comment_117941968

The conditions deteriorated part of the way into Norris's second lap after Hamilton pitted. If he didn't pit the lap Hamilton pitted, there was no reason to pit the next one either. He had a huge gap to third place, and it was only because the car became undrivable that he lost out on 2nd place.

Captain_Crash · 26-09-2021 5:45pm

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It’s hard to tell because of the helmets so it’s difficult to see facial expressions but his body language definitely changed and he appeared to do a double take when he noticed it was a RB without the illuminous strip on the antenna pulling up beside him

AMKC · 26-09-2021 6:01pm

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That was totally Lewis's fault at Monza. At the time I thought racing incident but having seen the slow mo on Channel 4s qualifying program yesterday which was very good by the way it was totally Lewis's fault and he should have been the one to get the penaultys not Max. Lewis did not leave enough room for Max. He forced him onto the green and then into the Kerp because Max had no where else to go. Your supposed to leave a car space beside you and Lewis did not do that there.

Joeface · 26-09-2021 6:12pm

^^^ this is the Russian GP , there is no need to bring the previous race into .

Harika · 26-09-2021 6:27pm

Alonso pitting a lap earlier and he comes home second.

JeffKenna · 26-09-2021 6:39pm

Loved Max on the radio saying his tired are dead and then knocking in fastest laps!

fe1ki5 · 26-09-2021 8:08pm

It's great to have these races where there isn't just a battle up front - seems like it's been a long time since we had decent midfield battles - today was a good show of this. Aside from Verstappens surprise race and Lewis's 100 wins,

Russell scored another point for Williams.

Alonso had a great race too.

Bottas seemed lost in P14 and managed to finish 5th.

Sainz finishing third.

Noteworthy to me lately is Perez, granted he suffered an awful pitstop but he's not seemed up to the mark at all (started the season well) but fails to pull it out the bag in qualifying and all too often finishes midfield. 5th in the championship when your team mate is contending for the title in the same car - hmm.

F1 2021 Round 15:Russian Grand Prix 2021

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