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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,223 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    The news media may be viewed from a different perspective. To what extent do they perform an entertainment function for their dedicated audiences? If so, I would venture to guess that they have succeeded in their goal and their business model is not broken, is profitable and works. The news label to that extent is only a label for placement in the Telly guide. Rather, think of this label as one for a so-called “reality” Telly series with several seasonal episodes.

    Trump has an established record as an entertainer. Celebrity Apprentice was entertaining for many. For several seasons it had fairly good ratings, which in turn drew advertisers and associated profits. In terms of the news media, if Trump is viewed as one of their entertainers, then they can be seen as one of his hosts, both mutually profiting from their association. Trump talks about this news media relationship in his art of a deal best seller ghost written book.

    From this entertainment perspective “fake news” references are no longer pejorative in context, especially if their content serves to raise the entertainment value for their respective audiences. It is part of the entertainment script, and the more outrageous the Trump statements, the more entertaining it is for the viewers. Trump talks about making “outrageous” and “sensational” comments in his book to draw the news media. Trump continued to frequent such statements when 2016 and 2020 campaigning, as well in his new reality show Celebrity Apprentice President.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,542 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    In reality, Trump's good at faking the news and the media across the board doesn't resist making copy of it for several reasons [only one of which is 2nd amendment honest about telling the public the truth] the rest being to avoid losing sales. Several months back, a US newspaper cartoonist took a look at the US media and put up an image of a reader ranting at the media for lying about Trump and the election. The cartoon had the reader using a four-letter word beginning with the letter H to describe how much he very strongly felt about the media not telling the truth about Trump's success in the 2019 election.

    I was around that time getting dispirited about CNN's coverage of Trump on it's late night news show as I saw it as being biased like FoxNews where Trump was/is concerned, only in a reverse aspect. That being said, I believe Trump is a pernicious evil eating away at the US ability to be a unified nation with his ability to play the media at their own game, it's all about the headlines for him.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,223 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Trump trumps the notion of a democracy with his repetitious affirmation of the Big Lie. Follows the advertising model where if you repeat something enough times some people will buy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 720 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    It's true. People still buy Budweiser because they have great ads, even though the beer is pigswill.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Sources reveal South Dakota governor and potential 2024 VP candidate Kristi Noem is having an extramarital affair with former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski.


    The party of family values.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,439 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    That won’t go down well. If it’s true I’d love to see how the governor spins it. I’d pay cash money to see that press conference.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    You think that'll have an effect? Nationally, maybe (though "VP candidate" feels like damning with faint praise), but TBH I long ago gave up keeping track of the affairs and backdoor abortions revealed of various "family values" GOP politicians. Hypocrisy only works if the perpetrators feel any shame in their actions.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Not a great week for either of them to be fair.

    Noem is also being investigated for pressuring a State official to give her daughter a real estate license after she had initially been refused - She also had the person who originally refused the license fired , that person subsequently sued for unfair dismissal and won $200k from the state.

    On the other side Lewandowski is accused of a sexual assault last week , leading to him being kicked off some Trump PAC leadership committee.

    How many people is that now in and around the Trump inner circle that have been accused of Sexual assault and violence against women?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,223 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    In terms of qualifications for Trump’s 2024 inner circle, to what extent does such alleged sexual backgrounds make them more attractive to Trump?

    Anyone still remember seeing the hot mike Celebrity Apprentice vid of Trump bragging to Billy Bush about grabbing women in their privates, or the dozen women that came forward complaining about such behavior prior to 2016; or the extramarital affair Trump allegedly had with Marla Maples while married to his first wife Ivana Trump; or the two alleged affairs Trump had with Stormy Daniels and Playboy Bunny Stephanie Clifford (and alleged campaign payoffs) while third wife Melania Trump was pregnant with Baron?

    Or what about Trump’s strong vocal supporters like Fox CEO Roger Ailes, or Fox Telly host Bill O’Reilly, and the alleged reasons Fox got rid of both of them? Was it for the propagation of Republican good family values?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I guess being in the social media wilderness is hurting; Trump opens a case via a federal judge in Florida to force Twitter to restore Trump's account 🙄

    Give me my ball back, cries a former president.




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,260 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody



    Nah; it's to ensure he can get more donations for his case etc. Any lawyer who's not a fawning sycophant would have told him he has no case (in the same way he'd have no chance to sue Facebook; private companies have to be in control on a whole different level for them to be equated to state level which is required for 1st amendment). This is purely PR stunt to pull get more money from his fools followers and ego boosting at best (and "proof" of how he's being targeted and it's all a conspiracy etc.). Leagle Eagle (yes, he's an actual lawyer) did a short youtube video on it as well.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oh when it comes to Trump everything's a grift for sure and someone down the chain is set up to pay for it ... but I do also believe there's a personal element at play; in that Trump has found the closure of what was his primary tool of communication tough to bare. Quick to forget just how much of his presidency was conveyed and expressed through social media. And despite his best efforts on the guest speaker front, he has quickly fallen from the headlines; that's gotta hurt an insecure egotist like him.

    And yes, I do agree it's also continuing this false narrative from conservatives that the tech industry is liberal and bias against them - cos one can't continue the victim complex without frivolous lawsuits confirming their bias. That Trump is the conservative poster child at all is hilarious, but that's another segue.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,009 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    This is a test. Trump was banned for Jan 6 and the Big Lie. If they remove Trump's ban, they should unban everone ever banned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,439 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Shockingly the trump aides who were subpoenaed didn’t comply by the deadline of yesterday which as we know was most likely at the urging of trump himself. Btw, trump is saying he’ll invoke executive privilege which is grand escort he’s not the president anymore and so he can’t invoke it.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    As regards the Executive privilege thing.

    It's not quite as simple as we all might hope , Trump can and certainly will obstruct and delay significantly.

    From what I've read the process is that the House/Senate Committee asks for stuff and the Biden team can agree to waive privilege , which in this case they have.

    However , Trump as the original owner can object and he then has 60 days to lodge the specifics of his request, which then gets reviewed( by the DOJ I guess). If his objection is denied he can probably go to court which if he is even vaguely allowed he will do so, which will delay even further.

    So , realistically we're still probably months away at least from seeing/hearing anything



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,542 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    That would mean Trump is, in effect, trying to claim the documents etc subpoenaed are "presidential papers" as distinct from personal presidential documents [like those in libraries set up by former presidents to house their personal papers for viewing by the public in scholastic circumstances] in order to assert his "privilege immunity" claim. The cure for that would be to find amongst the documents he is claiming are "privileged" some of whose contents have already been revealed to the public by Trump and persuade a judge in camera that the claim is false. Get a judge/s to examine the claims veracity by looking at the documents contents and rule Trump had already put them in the public domain. Trump was very candid in public at times where it came to matters usually kept privileged by presidents.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,542 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Ref funding his supposed 2024 re-election campaign, are the Koch Brothers keeping to their their 2020 statements that they wouldn't fund his campaign?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Don't get me wrong , he hasn't a leg to stand on here , but the process is such that he potentially can delay and frustrate the process for a while yet.

    The GOP/Trump goal is clearly to try to delay the release until after the mid-terms in the hopes that the GOP take back the House when they'll just shutdown all the investigations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,542 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Yes, that's a taken about his tactics. Needle the opposition until they throw up their hands and give in. He has no shame....



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,542 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Looking at a US civil rights issues page on Facebook, it claims that Don has told his Republicans supporters that if the GOP sorted out the 2020 election fraud issue, they shouldn't come out and vote in the 2022 and 2024 elections. It'd be nice if he was going to duck the chance of standing for election again, even if the reason he's giving is as fake as hell, one where the GOP is the culprit and not him.

    https://amongthefray.wordpress.com/2021/10/14/trump-tells-republicans-not-to-vote-in-2022-or-2024/



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That's one way to look at it - Giving himself the air cover to not run by saying that it's all rigged so there's no point etc.

    It's also a mafia style threat to the GOP - "Rig the election in my favour or I'll burn the whole thing down with you in it."

    One way or another, it works for the only person that matters to Trump , himself.

    Either he gets the GOP to destroy US Democracy and hand him victory in an Election that he will lose (2024) or he gets to leave the field with his ego intact , probably destroying the GOP on his way out as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭amandstu


    @Quin_Dub

    "it works for the only person that matters to Trump , himself."

    To think that his supporters haven't worked that out.

    Mind you ,if he does manage to destroy the GOP he will have done the States some service.(their 2 party system is a toxic anachronysm)

    Heil to the Saviour.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,542 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I made a very MAJOR typo in my post. It should have read "if the GOP HADN'T sorted out the........ republicans shouldn't vote in the 2022 and 2024.... so, as you both point out, he [or a backroom strategist] has worked out a way to unload the blame on Mitch McConnell et al again using the voter against the GOP.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,541 ✭✭✭✭briany


    He's still in the headlines far, far more than an ex-president ought to be, which is troubling. In typically Trumpian fashion, he has broken with protocol. He's not living the relatively quiet life of an ex-president. He's out doing rallies, he's on Fox News, he's publishing statements and remains very much in control of the Republican party. Yes, losing his Twitter account was a blow, but not a knockout one. When he actually starts facing some legal consequences for his outrageous behaviour while president, then he'll change his tune, but the process is so slow, I'm beginning to lose faith anything will happen on that front before the Republican party contests the 2022 midterms and possibly regains control over both chambers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,439 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    The January 6th rioter who attacked officer Micheal Fanone(he’s the officer who slammed the table when testifying before congress) has said in court documents that he was acting under the “authority” of former president trump when he attacked the US capitol. I’m sure trump world won’t be liking those comments made by trump supporters in court documents.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Is that one of the ones that is representing themselves in court?

    So far there's about 6 of them that have gone this route.

    One guy last week confessed to 2 or 3 other crimes during his own testimony that they hadn't charged him with..

    Another claimed that the court had no jurisdiction as they were answerable only to God.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭amandstu


    @Quin_Dub ,"Another claimed that the court had no jurisdiction as they were answerable only to God."

    maybe they could claim that they were only answerable to the Dear Leader



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,281 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    So, if Trump ran for president again and won the election, would it suspend all civil cases against him again?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,542 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The BBC World Service has reported Trump has gone to the USSC asking it to put a stop to the Committee hearings on matters it is investigating involving him as president are "executive-privileged" therefore outside the legal scope of the committee.



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