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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Tangential to Trump, somewhat, but the GOP's recall attempt to dislodge Gavin Newsom has failed specularly in California; their great hope was a real Trumpist in Larry Elder who, of course, immediately starting claiming election shenanigans. Seems like this is the GOP playbook for the time being: if we didn't win, it was rigged.

    Apparently this recall election will cost the state $300 million (so much for the party of fiscal conservatism), while Newsoms offence to justify the recall was IIRC visiting a posh restaurant while publicly asking for restraint. Shítty double standards, but also depressingly common across the globe at the time.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭amandstu




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To be fair to Elder , whilst he did start the "Voter Fraud" guff even before the election actually happened , he did concede pretty early and with reasonably good grace.

    Which is more than can be said of Katlyn Jenner who went off on one having garner less than 1% of the vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    My understanding of the recall system is if the recall is successful then whoever gets the most votes wins. So a governor could lose with say 49% on the recall and his replacement might only get 20% of the vote for governor. Whoever came up with that system if my understanding is correct is an idiot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,325 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    What you wrote @salmocab is also my understanding of how the California system works, and like you I can’t understand how this system is good. Firstly, I’m of the belief that a politician should be held accountable at the scheduled election(which is next year in California btw) and not at the whim of their opponents. Secondly, the fact it’s a simple majority for the highest office in a state such as California again strikes me as ridiculous. And despite some of what I’ve listened to, the win for the democrats, doesn’t mean trumpism is gone away. Trumpism whether the democrats want to admit it is here for the foreseeable future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,281 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    The recall system is fine and rarely used. Those sulking about it I assume were dead quiet when it was used on Scott Walker.

    Elder should not have been on the ballot, black boomer Trump is not a good fit for California.

    Its a reminder how skilled Manchen, Collins, Hogan etc are winning elections they have no right to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭hcf500


    Just came across this clip of President Biden. Its only 50 seconds long. Well worth a watch. Its easy to understand where his passion come from when defending lgbtq+ rights. If Joe was president instead of tramp, we would have far less bigotry in todays society. Truly moving




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,103 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The recall system is just objectively appalling. That a sitting governor can be "recalled" is not the issue, that they can receive 49% support and be replaced by someone with 20% is the clear and obvious issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,109 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    LOL

    A certain Mrs Merton might have asked "What first attracted you to the millionaire Donald Trump?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,176 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Joe is President. But it's like clearing up after a car accident. The accident only took a few seconds, it can take hours to clear the road.

    I objectively detest the former guy but I wouldn't refer to him in that way, it's only giving ammo to his supporters here and justification for them to use derogatory comments elsewhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Trump would burn the world including his own supporters if somehow it would benefit himself. Trump is interested in Trump only. All his actions are linked to the promotion and furtherance of his grand plan, which is to make money, prove how much smarter he is than everyone else and destroy his enemies. Rules, ethics, conscience and consequences are for the those to stupid not to be Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,175 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    In a move which might recoil on him, Trump is suing his niece and the NYT over coverage [release of] of his tax records. I won't link the move directly with his CFO's statement/admission that more court charges are [probably] coming down the line for Trump, just that the two may not be purely coincidental. He may [no pun] be trying to trump his CFO's statement by beginning the above case. It'll give both respondents a chance to reveal more of what they know/have access to in court which is risky for Trump if the knowledge has not been made public by either the prosecutor/s in NYC or the respondents. They may even call witnesses from the Trump side to rebut Trump's case in court as a sensible person would remind the witnesses they are not on nor liable for trial in respect of evidence they give against Trump himself. He's claiming they had an insidious plot against him to get his records.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,176 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,553 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Well Trump is well known for his amount of lawsuits that he files and then quietly drops them without saying anything or paying to get out from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Trump is doing this because any movement from the DOJ then he can claim 'witch hunt'



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Just of the "Justice for the January 6th" rally.

    They basically conspiracy theoried themselves out of existence on that one.

    There was a theory that it was a false flag event organised by the FBI/Deep State to round up and imprison "god fearing patriots" so the vast majority decided not to go to their own event.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,281 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    On that, the media seemed heartbroken their was so little people their, they flocked their in the droves hoping for culture war shite.


    I recall a Richard Spencer rally a few years ago, the media would not shut up about it, everyone showed up media wise and Spencer had maybe 50 people?

    On the rally the other week, I think their was more undercover FBI people, some stuck out so much " How do you do my fellow MAGA" . than actual Trump loons. 😂

    When Trump gets the 2024 GOP nomination, it will be very interesting to see what Dorsey and Zuckerberg do, does he get his playthings back?


    Zuckerberg is an awful person so he probably will want to keep Trump happy if he thinks he has a chance of winning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,114 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    So we are back to blaming the media again?

    So if they don't show it they are suppressing the real stories because of their hate for Trump, and if they do show up and no actual supporters do it means they are heartbroken?

    The lack of support is the story, plenty for the media to talk about. The wide angled shot showing nobody could be bothered to turn up, that like Trump himself, his supporters won't bother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,281 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    The American mainstream media is utterly broken. They haven't learned any lessons from 2016 where they gave Trump massive coverage.

    Trump kept a lot of dying mediums relevant and since he lost they have been scrambling for other "villains" to fill the void. They tried to elevate MTG and Tucker into Trump esque villains for ratings but only made both bigger stars and their breathless coverage of some nerds doing that rally where nobody showed up is another example of how limited they are.

    They want the conflict and as Bill Burr said they desperately want Darth Vader back which will make his 2022 GOP race that much easier.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,475 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Some TV news media programs favor Trump. Others don't. Any difference between Fox & Friends and CNN? Both have an audience they play for. Both need ratings to draw advertisers and associated profits. Both are businesses. And if they don't succeed as a business first, they will fail no matter their message second. So painting one bad and another good may exhibit bias of the painter. And we are all value laden/biased. Max Weber discussed this well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,114 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    So you think the media are to blame for Trump? Not Trump himself and the voters?

    The same media that are full of fake news and biased opinions such that they can be ignored are to blame for driving people to Trump and accepting his lying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,281 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    Trump doesn't win in 2016 without CNN. They gave him so much free publicity and yes obviously Fox done some work but without Jeff Zucker Trump does not become president.


    Without Trump they and all other traditional media platforms right or left in America are screwed thus anything associated with Trump gets absurd coverage. MTG and Tucker have became much bigger stars due to the media obsession with trying to fill the Trump void.


    CNN are an odd one, deserve huge criticism for 2016 but is still a relatively balanced channel (Acosta and Cuomo aside), but they are clearing fighting the temptation to go full MSNBC (Democrat propaganda channel aka Fox is for the GOP) as that is where the money is.

    Its a broken model though though when so reliant on Trump I think we can both agree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Judged by the track record of Trump's other business ventures, I'd deem that a success



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,175 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    In reality, Trump's good at faking the news and the media across the board doesn't resist making copy of it for several reasons [only one of which is 2nd amendment honest about telling the public the truth] the rest being to avoid losing sales. Several months back, a US newspaper cartoonist took a look at the US media and put up an image of a reader ranting at the media for lying about Trump and the election. The cartoon had the reader using a four-letter word beginning with the letter H to describe how much he very strongly felt about the media not telling the truth about Trump's success in the 2019 election.

    I was around that time getting dispirited about CNN's coverage of Trump on it's late night news show as I saw it as being biased like FoxNews where Trump was/is concerned, only in a reverse aspect. That being said, I believe Trump is a pernicious evil eating away at the US ability to be a unified nation with his ability to play the media at their own game, it's all about the headlines for him.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,767 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Trump trumps the notion of a democracy with his repetitious affirmation of the Big Lie. Follows the advertising model where if you repeat something enough times some people will buy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 957 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    It's true. People still buy Budweiser because they have great ads, even though the beer is pigswill.

    Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Sources reveal South Dakota governor and potential 2024 VP candidate Kristi Noem is having an extramarital affair with former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski.


    The party of family values.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,325 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    That won’t go down well. If it’s true I’d love to see how the governor spins it. I’d pay cash money to see that press conference.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    You think that'll have an effect? Nationally, maybe (though "VP candidate" feels like damning with faint praise), but TBH I long ago gave up keeping track of the affairs and backdoor abortions revealed of various "family values" GOP politicians. Hypocrisy only works if the perpetrators feel any shame in their actions.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Not a great week for either of them to be fair.

    Noem is also being investigated for pressuring a State official to give her daughter a real estate license after she had initially been refused - She also had the person who originally refused the license fired , that person subsequently sued for unfair dismissal and won $200k from the state.

    On the other side Lewandowski is accused of a sexual assault last week , leading to him being kicked off some Trump PAC leadership committee.

    How many people is that now in and around the Trump inner circle that have been accused of Sexual assault and violence against women?



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