Any other women here vote NO for the 8th?

The abortion legislation that the government proposed to introduce if the referendum passed was published before the referendum. You and others concerned about 'hard cases' were incapable of reading that legislation, and making up your own minds whether abortion was likely to be 'rare' under those conditions?

Public masturbation?

Seriously?

Just a WUM. Doesn't have a cogent argument and recycles what it thinks is its brilliant observations from time to time. "theft". "Masturbation." But, yeah, the WUM (posting seemingly from US time) claims to have voted to repeal.

Yes, yes you do. And I have no idea why you think that's in any way relevant to this thread.

You must have been asleep in the build up to the referendum. Or really really naive. How were you conned? The government released the heads of bill before the vote circa 10 pages iirc of info on what the legislation would be after the vote. And Harris went to lengths not to deviate from them.

The procedure is safe at least as safe as a procedure can be. Nobody said there wouldn't be a medical misdiagnosis.

There were thousands and thousands of Irish women getting abortions before repeal, did you think these were magically going to disappear?

I can't believe this needs to be broken down, but here we go...

You can't masturbate, or be naked, in public. It's a public decency issue. You can masturbate or be naked in private, be it in the comfort of your own home, a hotel room etc. You don't need to, and have never needed to, travel to another country to masturbate or be naked.

If my next door neighbour was naked and pulling the stomach off himself out on the street in front of our house, I would have to draw the curtains so my children didn't see it. Even if the children were asleep, I wouldn't be too happy and pass him on my way to Tesco. On the other hand, if his wife got an abortion, I wouldn't even know about it.

One affects others, the other does not. Simple.

And your analogy is still nonsensical and stupid.

Basic strawmanning going on here. Public masturbation is not an issue of bodily autonomy. Just because you say it is doesn't make it so.

Gway outta that will ya

Key point of difference... with what, exactly? It's pretty much impossible to understand your points. So:

1. Are you satisfied with the state of legislation in Ireland? Why or why not?
2. Are you a woman and did you vote on the 8th? If you don't mind, share with us your vote, yes or no, and your reasons why.

The thread was asking (in a trollish way, by someone masquerading as a woman), whether women voted against repealing the eighth. This was an amazingly dumb question - some did. There are still nuns, for example, in Ireland and I'd take a guess they voted against repealing the 8th

Unborn is a propaganda term. The term you're looking for, is foetus. Once the foetus is removed from the womb, it becomes a baby. Hope that helps.

Back to what the OP said, "it will be used as a form of contraceptive" that is so unlikely it doesn't even need consideration! (I'm sure there are one or two out there that would, but that is an extreme minority.

I have had two miscarriages in the past year, yes I know it's different but medically I don't know if it is all that different. I have had a d & c which has to be pretty much the same experience as an abortion operation, going into hospital, under general anesthetic and waking up confused and dazed, possibly needing a few days off work. I know I did anyway I was in physical along with emotional pain (which I can assume most after an abortion would feel even if they did choose it).

My 2nd one I took no intervention, they offered me tablets to induce labour, which I would think are v similar to abortion pills, but I didn't trust that doc (she messed up blood results) so said I'd wait. I didn't have to wait long. If those pills would have just had a quicker affect of what I went through (which I think is what they do) it would put anyone off wanting them again. Very v painful and fairly traumatic with out being graphic!

I've had one very good friend in secondary school and two acquaintances have abortions. I only really know about how the friend felt, it was a really hard decision that she didn't take lightly. The others similarly had to make hard decisions (they told me after a few drinks in college) both young and told with out a doubt that they would be single mothers. But the friend anyway I know took contraceptive very very seriously after that! And has gone another 14 years without an unplanned pregnancy, one of those other girls has a baby now (planned) but from the looks of it she went a good decade without another unplanned pregnancy so she also took contraceptive very seriously after.

I can tell you if the pain of an abortion is even similar to the pain of miscarriage NO ONE would chose it as their form of contraceptive!!! Taking a pill/ using a condom versus regardless of which you choose a procedure which between booking, having, recovery, follow up would take maybe two weeks.