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Any other women here vote NO for the 8th?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 35,308 ✭✭✭✭ ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,974 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    This is complete nonsense. The Supreme Court ruled (before repeal) that no constitutional rights existed for an embryo/foetus apart from the 8th amendment. Which we then repealed, and replaced with wording that says that abortion can be legislated for. The Dail can change the 12 week limit to whatever it chooses. The 12 week limit was chosen primarily out of political cowardice.

    Make our National Maternity Hospital Public and Secular

    #MakeNMHOurs

    Annoy your TDs now!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,974 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    I'm sure your "friends" are thrilled at your judging them and their life choices, and that you voted to force them to go abroad for essential healthcare. Who has "dozens" of friends anyway? Acquaintances and facebook "friends" are not friends.

    Make our National Maternity Hospital Public and Secular

    #MakeNMHOurs

    Annoy your TDs now!!!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭ Day Lewin


    In the course of my life I have had dozens of friends; and I didn't judge them, so don't you judge me on no evidence, either.

    I can still have a view on the ethics of an action without "judging" those who chose it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭ Igotadose


    You judged them not in dire circumstances - your words. Pretty clear you're judging the person not the action. Saying "I voted no, I'm against abortion" is a view on ethics. Saying someone didn't need to have one, is judging their behavior. Consider if you were a Taliban judge and someone in court before you had an abortion - you'd be in your rights, if you JUDGE that they broke your 'not in dire circumstances' law, to order them beheaded.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭ Loueze


    "endowed by their creator with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" ???

    That's a quote from the American Declaration of Independance. This is not the US.

    You're not one of those crazy pro-lifer American's who gets overly-invested in abortion legislation in other countries, are you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭ Faugheen


    This is absolutely horrific. I'm so, so sorry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,976 ✭✭✭ Feisar


    I don't know you however you have my deepest condolences and respect.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭ Igotadose


    Let's not underestimate the reach of the crazy pro-lifers. Here's a rant from FB that pretty much encapsulates the state of anti-abortion legislation in the US, it's worse than the middle ages.

    https://ifunny.co/picture/i-ve-had-at-least-5-whore-friends-share-this-xkoAsKRk8?s=cl



  • Registered Users Posts: 628 ✭✭✭ Burt Renaults


    Because most decent people are, at the very least, sympathetic towards people dealing with unwanted pregnancies, I don't think that sort of language from the 'No' side did their own cause any favours during the referendum campaign. I often wonder, if the likes of you had said nothing at all during that campaign, would the result have been closer?



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭ Jeremy Sproket


    What if a man didn't want to be a dad?


    Should there be an option for him?


    If your answer to that is "abstinence", then does that not also apply to the woman? (outside of rape, FFA and life threatening grounds).



  • Registered Users Posts: 35,308 ✭✭✭✭ ohnonotgmail


    you think the man should decide that the woman must get an abortion? have a word with yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 863 ✭✭✭ secondrowgal


    If he doesn't want to be a dad, get a vasectomy. Easy. It's easier, and safer, than a woman having to take birth control pills for 30 or more years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,810 ✭✭✭✭ One eyed Jack



    What’s nonsense about it? I’m not even sure what part of my post you’re saying is nonsense when you acknowledge that it was because of the existence of the 8th amendment in the first place was the State’s acknowledgment of the right to life of the unborn. “Apart from the 8th” is doing a hell of a lot of the heavy lifting in your post to suggest that I’m talking nonsense.

    Do you not remember the X case in 1992 when the family asked Gardaí could DNA from the aborted foetus would be admissible as evidence in Court? Do you not remember what happened next?



    It was the introduction of the 8th amendment that legislated for abortion, before then it was unlawful, and legislation introduced after the 8th limited the conditions under which an abortion was lawfully permissible. It’s why we had the referendum in 1992 and the proposed 12th amendment was rejected, while the 13th and 14th amendments passed.

    Because of the 13th it was possible for women to travel outside the State for an abortion, but because aftercare was not provided by the State upon their return, it led to the A, B and C case v Ireland -



    Which led to the POLDPA legislation being introduced in Irish law some 20 years after the outcome of the referendum which followed the X case -



    And all of this was BEFORE the death of Savita Halapannavar and the repeal of the 8th amendment which led to the introduction of THIS Act in 2018 -



    STILL limiting the conditions under which an abortion could either be regarded as lawful or unlawful, and whether or not we agree it was political cowardice or what I would consider pure stupidity which makes absolutely no sense, made no sense at the time, and still makes no sense - the 12 week limit was touted long before the referendum as a means to assuage “fears” of what some people refer to as “abortion on demand”, and politicians at the time caving under pressure stuck it in there as yet another shìtty “compromise” the same as they did when proposing the wording of the 8th amendment in the first place to assuage “fears” that Ireland might follow Roe v Wade in the States.

    The 12 week limit is balls, frankly, when it can lead to outcomes of legal uncertainty and medical professionals reluctant to act for fear they might fall foul of the legislation such as in cases like this -





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  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭ Jeremy Sproket


    Who said that ??? Where did I say that?


    If a woman has the option to end a baby's life through abortion simply because she doesn't want to be a mother* with no medical reasons, then logically there should be an equivalent for me (ie, they can abdicate all responsibilities and rights) should the woman choose to keep the baby.


    I'm staunchly against this an abhor abortion. I'm simply testing the argument of the so called "pro-choice people".

    I'm a woman btw.



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭ Jeremy Sproket


    If you don't want to be a mother, abstain or take birth control. Works both ways n'est pas?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,810 ✭✭✭✭ One eyed Jack



    The equivalent for men is that should they ever find themselves in similar circumstances, they too would have the same rights (and limitations on those rights) as a woman in those circumstances. Effectively, you’re into this sort of territory -



    And we came pretty damn close to it and all -





  • Registered Users Posts: 19,810 ✭✭✭✭ One eyed Jack



    No, it really doesn’t, seeing as men do not have the capacity to become pregnant. They have the same rights as women do in those circumstances should they ever find themselves expecting rather unexpectedly and they do not wish to become a father. It has no bearing upon whether or not a pregnant woman may seek a termination of her pregnancy in any case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭ Loueze




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭ Ulysses1874


    My mother wore one of those when I was in my early teens. 😲



  • Registered Users Posts: 35,308 ✭✭✭✭ ohnonotgmail




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  • Registered Users Posts: 863 ✭✭✭ secondrowgal


    If you don’t want to be a father, abstain or use birth control. See what I did there?


    Women could have sex 24/7 without risk of pregnancy if there are no viable sperm around.


    Men can also have sex 24/7 if they keep their viable speed away from any eggs


    Also, men can’t get pregnant so it doesn’t affect them in any way.


    Birth control can fail (approx 9% for pill, 13% for condoms). Get a vasectomy (<1% and reversible.) Much better don’t you think?



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